Ethical to shoot past 400 yards at elk w/AR15 based rifle? Yes/No

[JimmyHoffa]

The ballistics are there,  but is it ethical?  I don't think so.  I'd say more animals are crippled than harvested at those long ranges. Just feeding the yotes.

purely speculation . My bet is more elk are wounded and lost under 100 yards in thick cover . Just because  guys  fail to follow up on there shots.

Guess your remark is speculation too. 

I would guess that in most of those cases, caliber/platform wouldn't have been the major factor.  A bad shot from a bolt gun is as bad as that from a gas op (only a few fps difference).

[Karl Blanchard]

How many were shot at more than 400 yards with an AR15?

Absolutely zero but some were shot from a lot farther than that with a bullet traveling at similar velocities so I very much know how a bullet will perform at similar conditions.

Okay, there we have it. You actually don't have any experience with this topic. Not any more than I do. But I get my velocities off the box- yeah right. And I get all my information from the Internet. And I haven't hunted for 36 years in this state. I know so much less than you because, I don't know, I guess because I don't hunt with an AR and I don't shoot big game further than 400 yards.

I figured that out about ten pages back.

  Funny how neither of you will answer my riddle   I think it's because you all know the answer

[Karl Blanchard]

Neither of you can argue effectively that the round can't perform at range.  You know this so you argue variables.  The thread isn't about variables, it's about the round being adequate to kill.  It has been shown by people who have used it as well as folks showing the raw data showing the numbers  back that up.  I've seen a VLD kill at 1500-1600fps, as well as partitions and accubonds, but I have no experience on the subject?  Hmmm.........

[JJB11B]

7wsssm can be chambered in an AR15 cant it? put a 20" barrel on one of those...

[Biggerhammer]

While everyone has been arguing the elk moved into a closed GMU so this is all moot now until next season.

Well then that amature beast of a set up Yorke is running( .338-.408) will be perfect for "Ethical" shots into the next GMU. First we have to get JD and Bobcats blessing. That could be a challenge, due to the fact the side tracking and speculation as displayed is quite time consuming. I don't believe we could get a straight reply by the start of the 2016 modern Elk season. They need to still define "Self proclaimed experts" and with their antics matching that of the current government administration, it may never happen.

[Dan-o]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

[bobcat]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

True that.

        
    
 

[Biggerhammer]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

What's the ethical proper rest, measly muzzle velocity and proper wind call, bullet construction Etc. For a 411 yard shot with a 6.5 Grendel on a "Big Foot"? By a amature, novice, semi novice, expert, self proclaimed expert or just plain super human whicked shot type dude???

Someone google it for hecks sakes. I'm busy watching the Seachickens choke on it!

[Curly]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

What's the ethical proper rest, measly muzzle velocity and proper wind call, bullet construction Etc. For a 411 yard shot with a 6.5 Grendel on a "Big Foot"? By a amature, novice, semi novice, expert, self proclaimed expert or just plain super human whicked shot type dude???

It's been answered already on the bigfoot thread; just have to read almost 12,000 posts to see the answer.

[Dan-o]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

What's the ethical proper rest, measly muzzle velocity and proper wind call, bullet construction Etc. For a 411 yard shot with a 6.5 Grendel on a "Big Foot"? By a amature, novice, semi novice, expert, self proclaimed expert or just plain super human whicked shot type dude???

Someone google it for hecks sakes. I'm busy watching the Seachickens choke on it!

You have set up  a red herring.

We already established (on the Big Foot thread) that shots from AR platforms at Big Foots under 500 yards are unethical.

[Biggerhammer]

This thread is taking on Big Foot like proportions......   Very serious.       

What's the ethical proper rest, measly muzzle velocity and proper wind call, bullet construction Etc. For a 411 yard shot with a 6.5 Grendel on a "Big Foot"? By a amature, novice, semi novice, expert, self proclaimed expert or just plain super human whicked shot type dude???

It's been answered already on the bigfoot thread; just have to read almost 12,00 posts to see the answer.

Can't bring myself to do that, some of the clowns in this thread were more than enough for me.🤕

[Curly]

It is all speculation though since bigfoot is so blurry it is hard to get a good shot at one. Need special anti blur optics I think.

[Biggerhammer]

It is all speculation though since bigfoot is so blurry it is hard to get a good shot at one. Need special anti blur optics I think.

I wonder if those new "Hawk" optics are Anti-Blur? I've used everything else and haven't seen Big foot one!

[mountainman]

Just as silly as the bigfoot thread too...Some kids have too much time on their hands lol

[Biggerhammer]

Gotta love the "Shirt tail" riders.