SB 5474 Would Create Year Round, Unlimited Season on Hoof Rot Elk

[lokidog]

There is a change in the works because it is an enforcement mess. I think what will end up happening is a permit system where any LEO can issue a salvage permit to a person. No more self reporting.

That's what I am hearing as well. People aren't being honest so now WA could be like other states where an actual permit needs to be issued by an LEO before the animal can be taken.

Gee, once again the State does its own thing w/o looking at how other states have already SUCCESSFULLY done it, and it's not working as they thought.   

[bbarnes]

This bill is about cattleman wanting the state to pay for free fencing,I found out today.The land owners in skagit county,don't want the elk on there land ,but don't want hunters to hunt them either.This whole thing is a cluster and I will be there Tuesday to show my disapproval .

[bigtex]

This bill is about cattleman wanting the state to pay for free fencing,I found out today.The land owners in skagit county,don't want the elk on there land ,but don't want hunters to hunt them either.This whole thing is a cluster and I will be there Tuesday to show my disapproval .

Makes sense now. I was wondering why Pearson was getting involved with something in SW WA.

[Boss .300 winmag]

This bill is about cattleman wanting the state to pay for free fencing,I found out today.The land owners in skagit county,don't want the elk on there land ,but don't want hunters to hunt them either.This whole thing is a cluster and I will be there Tuesday to show my disapproval .

The elk up here are really just for the tribe, very little permits, about the only way to get one is to hit it with your vehicle. They are just a nuisance to the people of the valley. 

[pianoman9701]

I think it would cause accidental kills and we don't need anything to decrease our elk population over here more than the disease itself. In addition, it would interfere with established seasons for archery and ML. Keeping animals on high alert from hunters year round wouldn't be good for wintering or calving animals, either.

[fireweed]

Is there a single documented case of an elk infecting a cow or horse?  SW Washington is full of hoof rot elk, but I don't here of it affecting domestic livestock.  Heck even the deer here in Toutle, where at least 30% of the elk limp, seem to be immune and they stomp all over the same ground with the same bacteria.

[lamrith]

There is a change in the works because it is an enforcement mess. I think what will end up happening is a permit system where any LEO can issue a salvage permit to a person. No more self reporting.

That's what I am hearing as well. People aren't being honest so now WA could be like other states where an actual permit needs to be issued by an LEO before the animal can be taken.

People don't have all day waiting for an officer to come to the scene. Keep online reporting, and officers come to the address of salvage person to issue tag/permit.

They could easily issue a permit number over the phone and that number could be checked by other LEOs if they are stopped.  Basically only requiring a phone call be made before removing the animal from the scene.

Who's they? WDFW doesn't have a 24 7 communication center

This is the "20teens", it could very easily be setup as an automated system that would generate a record in a database and assign a tag number for the caller to use.  Having that then tied in where other LEO could verify, or even have a number they could call to verify that tag number would alleviate the "big hassle" if someone with a salvage animal is involved in a traffic stop.

Anyone that has dealt with LEO much on a "customer" level knows that they are grossly overstretched already.  The last thing we really want is LEO responding to a call and having to deal with issuing a salvage tag for a vehicle hit animal.  They need to be out protecting and responding to true emergency calls.  Plus the response time to non emergency LEO responsibilities is too long already.  Takes hours in some places to get response to a break-in, let alone a salvage animal.  Plus then you have someone wanting to salvage it waiting on side of road for hours which is a safety concern for them and other drivers.  Current system might have issues, but they can be simply fixed with an automated system.

[Widgeondeke]

There is a change in the works because it is an enforcement mess. I think what will end up happening is a permit system where any LEO can issue a salvage permit to a person. No more self reporting.


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So if an LEO doesn't agree with the salvage law or just doesn't like hunters/salvagers. He only needs to say he has a more important call and never arrive to issue a permit 

[Squidward]

Is there a single documented case of an elk infecting a cow or horse?  SW Washington is full of hoof rot elk, but I don't here of it affecting domestic livestock.  Heck even the deer here in Toutle, where at least 30% of the elk limp, seem to be immune and they stomp all over the same ground with the same bacteria.

I talked to a farmer out in the Boisfort valley last yr while on a cow hunt. I asked if he had to treat his cows any more with the hoof rot around. he told me he didn't have to treat any more, however he did see more hoof issues.

[Mudman]

Is there a single documented case of an elk infecting a cow or horse?  SW Washington is full of hoof rot elk, but I don't here of it affecting domestic livestock.  Heck even the deer here in Toutle, where at least 30% of the elk limp, seem to be immune and they stomp all over the same ground with the same bacteria.

Ask why deer are not affected?  Elk spend much more time in cuts and eat more grasses n such.  Exposure to chemicals is higher.  They are immune compromised.

[pianoman9701]

 

[bbarnes]

The white tailed deer in the mid west are.it was first shown on drury outdoors last year.

[fireweed]

The white tailed deer in the mid west are.it was first shown on drury outdoors last year.

But if it is so contagious and in the soil why don't the blacktails HERE have it?  In my yard hoof rot elk and the local deer herd stomp over the same ground all day without a single deer showing symptoms. 

[JimmyHoffa]

The white tailed deer in the mid west are.it was first shown on drury outdoors last year.

But if it is so contagious and in the soil why don't the blacktails HERE have it?  In my yard hoof rot elk and the local deer herd stomp over the same ground all day without a single deer showing symptoms.

could be difference in diet

[fireweed]

Instead of killing willy-nilly every limping elk, why don't they start with "encouraging" or requiring cow permit holders to shoot limping elk?  I know folks in SW Wa have to look hard to find a cow not limping, but it really doesn't make biological sense to kill off the healthy elk.  Besides the "yuck" factor with the meat, we should be saving all the healthy (and potentially resistant) elk, and focusing harvest on the limping ones. 

If it was open season on limping elk, the local tweekers would go Rambo shooting everything they could.