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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2017, 10:53:49 AM »
I wrote stuff on my bear box, it said don't be a dirtbag thief and steal this camera and said it has a code for the camera anyway.  They tried to steal it anyway, guess they were dirt bags!

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2017, 01:00:25 PM »
I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.

Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.

What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.

Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.

There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.

The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]

slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.


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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2017, 01:46:17 PM »
I think we just found the guy in the photos  :chuckle:

I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.

Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.

What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.

Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.

There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.

The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]

slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.

You put quite a bit of info about abandoned property... but guess what, it wasn't abandoned. It was placed there for an amount of time the OP wants to place it, safeguarded by a lock, with the intent of going back to retrieve it. He temporarily left it there, locked up, and was coming back. But if you think it was abandoned property, please let me know where you leave your car or truck. You leave it there, locked, with the intent of coming back to get it. It is exactly the same as the OP and his trail cam. But... in this case you keep calling it abandoned. So by that same logic, when you leave your car or truck, even locked, it is also abandoned and by your definition the title transfers to whoever finds it. GPS coordinates or simple address works for me.  :tup:

Call a rat a rat, a thief a thief, they can get their feelers hurt all they want, doesn't change the facts of the situation.
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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2017, 01:49:09 PM »
What? Are you defending the taking of someones trail cam? Are you seriously?

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2017, 01:54:50 PM »
What? Are you defending the taking of someones trail cam? Are you seriously?

No ,but just putting info on here of what law is.Is there something wrong that.I wouldn't call somebody a thief without better proof.

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2017, 02:01:07 PM »
What? Are you defending the taking of someones trail cam? Are you seriously?

He didn't but some valid points were made: 

Can you absolutely prove its your camera ? 
Can you absolutely prove the accused took it? 

If not then maybe step carefully even though you are or may be 100% certain of what happened.  The law doesn't care whats right or wrong, only what can be proved. 

That sounds like some reasonable advice. 

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2017, 02:06:21 PM »
Putting the law out there? You yourself just mentioned recently you have had issues with theft of salt blocks then blow up at anyone and everyone that did a good thing by making sure you knew what is and isnt bait to hopefully spare you the possibility of a citation when you were not intentionally looking for one. Now you cite abandonment to justify theft and say im just citing the law. Spare me. I do agree to an extent regarding proof. I think ge is right but the proof is yet to come.

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2017, 02:37:36 PM »
I engrave both inside and outside of my cameras so that I can at least prove it's mine, no matter who ends up with it..........if it ever turns up again

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2017, 02:45:19 PM »
Putting the law out there? You yourself just mentioned recently you have had issues with theft of salt blocks then blow up at anyone and everyone that did a good thing by making sure you knew what is and isnt bait to hopefully spare you the possibility of a citation when you were not intentionally looking for one. Now you cite abandonment to justify theft and say im just citing the law. Spare me. I do agree to an extent regarding proof. I think ge is right but the proof is yet to come.

1) you should have proof before you put someone's pic on the internet,and Facebook that there a thief.otherwise it may be considered slander.

2)Writing your name or taking pic,or serial numbers of your stuff is not new,its no different then when your house gets ripped off,you have to this to prove the stuff yours if you want it returned.

3Off-topic but ok,it fully aware of the laws on baiting bears,and baiting deer and elk,and many others laws .I don't think I need understanding these laws from anybody on here ., But thanks for sharing.

4)I think the owner of this forum may be able to shed some light to you as a mod about the laws of slander.


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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2017, 02:50:06 PM »
This photo has come in handy, a lot, lately.
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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2017, 03:14:30 PM »
Still no address on his abandoned car or truck  :dunno:

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2017, 05:37:53 PM »
Still no address on his abandoned car or truck  :dunno:
He's from the North East, someone has probably already found his abandoned vehicle and re-purposed it. 

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2017, 06:11:42 PM »
So.... What's the guy with the bolt cutters screen name on here?  :chuckle:

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2017, 06:22:47 PM »
So.... What's the guy with the bolt cutters screen name on here?  :chuckle:

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Re: Stolen cam used bolt cutters! Problem is I got your pictures sucker!
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2017, 12:31:48 AM »
I think we just found the guy in the photos  :chuckle:

I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.

Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.

What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.

Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.

There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.

The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]

slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.

You put quite a bit of info about abandoned property... but guess what, it wasn't abandoned. It was placed there for an amount of time the OP wants to place it, safeguarded by a lock, with the intent of going back to retrieve it. He temporarily left it there, locked up, and was coming back. But if you think it was abandoned property, please let me know where you leave your car or truck. You leave it there, locked, with the intent of coming back to get it. It is exactly the same as the OP and his trail cam. But... in this case you keep calling it abandoned. So by that same logic, when you leave your car or truck, even locked, it is also abandoned and by your definition the title transfers to whoever finds it. GPS coordinates or simple address works for me.  :tup:

Call a rat a rat, a thief a thief, they can get their feelers hurt all they want, doesn't change the facts of the situation.

How about you go to the nearest highway pull over ,lock your car up,come back in 48 hours and tell if it's still there. You might learn something about abandonment laws.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 01:14:27 AM by hunter399 »

 


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