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[meatwhack]

How about we all just self identify as natives.

[W_Ellison2011]

How about we all just self identify as natives.

Whats really sad to me.. is my Father, who is completely against what we have seen tribal members do in our hunting grounds, is now doing a dna test to see how much "native" we have in us so that he might be able to claim something and be able to hunt like they do. He has all but given up on trying to hunt the way our WDF&Wolves wants us to. There is only so many times you can be driving in the hills during early archery season and see 3-4 tribal members jump out of vans/trucks with rifles and drop 8-10 deer then only take backstraps and hindquarters before you either give up or snap. We have seen it 2 times and found multiple other kill sites. Elk are almost non existent in the woods I grew up hunting with my father, south rainer GMU 513. You can drive down into packwood and see the elk but up in 513 if you see 1 elk in a year you are doing pretty dang good! Its very sad that our state has come to this point. Both from poachers and tribal members abusing the rights given to them by our liberal government. hell I have been laughed at up in the white river unit by tribal members while they were gutting a bull elk that they shot in the middle of the road! I have been putting in for that unit for qual and any bull for a long time and have yet to draw! I still go up every year and hunt bears up there but the mucks go up there and shoot elk like no other and now I'm considering investing my points in a different unit!

[KFhunter]

I would do it.   I wouldn't hunt the feed lot or sell it, but I'd get a tribal license in a heart beat and hunt my way. 

[W_Ellison2011]

I would do it.   I wouldn't hunt the feed lot or sell it, but I'd get a tribal license in a heart beat and hunt my way.

It kind of breaks my heart though that it has come to this point for him though. It is what it is I guess. Maybe I will get to hunt the white river unit a lot sooner lol!

[MarkTrail]

Dvolmer, trophyhunt, you two guys have seen or heard from people close enough too realize just a small portion that is going on. Thanks for standing up and speaking out.

[Elkcollector82]

How about we all just self identify as natives.

Whats really sad to me.. is my Father, who is completely against what we have seen tribal members do in our hunting grounds, is now doing a dna test to see how much "native" we have in us so that he might be able to claim something and be able to hunt like they do. He has all but given up on trying to hunt the way our WDF&Wolves wants us to. There is only so many times you can be driving in the hills during early archery season and see 3-4 tribal members jump out of vans/trucks with rifles and drop 8-10 deer then only take backstraps and hindquarters before you either give up or snap. We have seen it 2 times and found multiple other kill sites. Elk are almost non existent in the woods I grew up hunting with my father, south rainer GMU 513. You can drive down into packwood and see the elk but up in 513 if you see 1 elk in a year you are doing pretty dang good! Its very sad that our state has come to this point. Both from poachers and tribal members abusing the rights given to them by our liberal government. hell I have been laughed at up in the white river unit by tribal members while they were gutting a bull elk that they shot in the middle of the road! I have been putting in for that unit for qual and any bull for a long time and have yet to draw! I still go up every year and hunt bears up there but the mucks go up there and shoot elk like no other and now I'm considering investing my points in a different unit!

Seriously one elk a year in 513   I think you should seriously change your hunting tactics before coming on here and bashing the natives.

[Skyvalhunter]

Are you doubting his hunting methods or abilities?

[deerlick]

How about we all just self identify as natives.

this is what I have been saying. take that to court, how is it possible to loose.

[Elkcollector82]

Are you doubting his hunting methods or abilities?

Both. Only seeing one elk a year in 513.  must have super dark tinted windows. 

[Skyvalhunter]

 :chuckle:that could be I have never hunted that area before sounds like u see a few more

[DOUBLELUNG]

What makes this a uniquely Washington problem? As I understand it many tribes across the west share the same hunting and fishing rights but I don't hear about how Wyoming wildlife is in shambles due to native harvest.

There is no legal off reservation hunting under treaty rights by natives in Wyoming.  That is a current fact the Crow Nation heavily contests, and may be changed at some point in the future but to date the state has prevailed. 

[meatwhack]

If a tribe actually managed wildlife they would have more than enough to hunt and sustain themselves on their reservation if they desired to do so. Instead most tribes have slaughtered everything on their reservations due to unregulated hunting and therefore hunt off the reservation where the animals have been managed. It’s pretty easy to see the tribes that care about wildlife management because they have some of the best hunting in the country on their reservations.

[W_Ellison2011]

Are you doubting his hunting methods or abilities?

Both. Only seeing one elk a year in 513.  must have super dark tinted windows. 

I hike quite a bit in that unit. I also guarantee that I spend more time in that unit than you do every year. Maybe you should take your crappy comments elsewhere and let the grown ups have a conversation instead of trying to bash my comments. Ohh and btw.. with a 15% or lower blacktail kill percentage in that unit I have killed deer in there every year except for this year when I hunted Kapowsin instead. I have seen with my own eyes the "natives" killing more animals up in those hills than you probably have seen in a whole year of scouting and hunting up there.

[jackelope]

Keep it on track and leave the personal attacks out of it.

 

[W_Ellison2011]

Keep it on track and leave the personal attacks out of it.

 

you got it. My bad. I shouldn't have let him pull me into that.

Back on topic. We have FAR too many variables ticking away at our herds of animals. Poachers being a big one and the excessive taking of game from other groups as well as the wolves and other apex predators in this state. We need EVERYONE to start reporting the animals they harvest and I mean that as in not just us sportsmen and women but also tribal.