Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[MtnMuley]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

[idahohuntr]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

[MtnMuley]

 

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

Since there were never introduced California bighorn sheep whenever the treaty was signed in this area, how are they "ensuring its not lost on folks where they have hunted"?

[huntnphool]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

Since there were never introduced California bighorn sheep whenever the treaty was signed in this area, how are they "ensuring its not lost on folks where they have hunted"?

 You mean like elk in the blues?

[idahohuntr]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

Since there were never introduced California bighorn sheep whenever the treaty was signed in this area, how are they "ensuring its not lost on folks where they have hunted"?

 You mean like elk in the blues?

Are elk in the blues and California bighorn sheep in swakane invasive species?  Or were there numbers so low they were reintroduced to help rebuild populations?  They are both native species that tribes have probably hunted for thousands of years....but I'm less familiar with sheep history, so correct me if I'm wrong.

[MtnMuley]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

Since there were never introduced California bighorn sheep whenever the treaty was signed in this area, how are they "ensuring its not lost on folks where they have hunted"?

 You mean like elk in the blues?

Are elk in the blues and California bighorn sheep in swakane invasive species?  Or were there numbers so low they were reintroduced to help rebuild populations?  They are both native species that tribes have probably hunted for thousands of years....but I'm less familiar with sheep history, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, the sheep are so invasive that guys like me wait 20 plus years at the 1/1000 chance to get a tag and others spend $100K+ for ththe opportunity for a tag.

Also, the Yakama's never hunted sheep in the Swakane because there was never any there to start with.

Lastly, why so you keep finding ways to argue in support of these 2 tags?

[huntnphool]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Backpedal and spin all you want.  This is what you said and you very clearly equate race to "special privileges".  Its not skin color and special anything...its a treaty and treaty rights.

Until right now, the Yakama's haven't had the  "right" to kill 2 Swakane rams per year. That's what this whole topic is about. It's not about any swaying of meaning of or nick nack lingo that you get off on. Please let those of us who aren't trolls discuss this matter instead of playing the role of: TREATYMASTER. Seriously, beat it

There you go again...demonstrating a complete lack of understanding regarding treaty rights.  These rights were not a grant to tribes...the yakamas have always had the right to kill rams in swakane if it is within their ceded and open-unclaimed area...it appears they are choosing to exercise that right, possibly as plat said to ensure it's not lost on folks where they have hunted. 

Since there were never introduced California bighorn sheep whenever the treaty was signed in this area, how are they "ensuring its not lost on folks where they have hunted"?

 You mean like elk in the blues?

Are elk in the blues and California bighorn sheep in swakane invasive species?  Or were there numbers so low they were reintroduced to help rebuild populations?  They are both native species that tribes have probably hunted for thousands of years....but I'm less familiar with sheep history, so correct me if I'm wrong.

 Good question. Would the tribes be pushing the issue if not for the changes that have resulted in today's opportunities?

 The Bolt decision also gave the tribes half the shellfish harvest. Were the tribes hand pulling hemp rope lines attached to wood shrimp pots from 300+ feet in hood canal in 1800's?

 I can understand your defense of the Indians, and Platt advocating for his opportunity to hunt without participating in the draw, but if you both want to be taken seriously, then call a spade a spade.

[idahohuntr]

Mtmuley,
So no bighorn sheep ever occupied the swakane unit?  Can you validate that with a credible source?  That doesn't seem logical.  Like many wildlife species that crashed to extreme lows in the early 1900s ( elk in the blues)I'm sure they were reintroduced by wdfw in the mid 1900s.

I'm not arguing in favor of these tags as much as I'm arguing the basis for these rights stems from treaties that should be honored by the United States.  The Yakamas hunting in the swakane is simply the exercise of rights I would argue the tribe explicitly reserved when they ceded millions of acres to the US...lands you and I can hunt and recreate on.

To hps points...tribes endured those population crashes after their treaty...so I would guess in their view changes to provide these opportunities have been long overdue, and were plentiful in 1855.

As far as today's technology, whether salmon, shellfish, or elk...tribes reserves those rights to harvest, nothing in those treaties limits their technology use or tools in conducting said harvest.  Just like my 2nd amendment rights are not limited to the firearms that existed in 1776.

[PlateauNDN]

I just love how many try to interpret my culture and history as if they are tribal members.

You want it you got it. A spade is a spade. I do because I can. I do because it's my Reserved Right. My ancestors were better negotiators than the US gov't and now people are upset because we're  sticking to the agreed upon stipulations.

We weren't given nothing, granted nothing, our Ancestors Reserved Our Rights during the negotiations.  Our Treaty is apart of the US Constitution and the Supreme Law of the Land for us.

I will exercise my Rights as I exercise all my other Rights. If you dont like it then to bad.

I honestly thought this place was starting to turn a chapter but it seems nothing ceases to amaze me.

[huntnphool]

I just love how many try to interpret my culture and history as if they are tribal members.

You want it you got it. A spade is a spade. I do because I can. I do because it's my Reserved Right. My ancestors were better negotiators than the US gov't and now people are upset because we're  sticking to the agreed upon stipulations.

We weren't given nothing, granted nothing, our Ancestors Reserved Our Rights during the negotiations.  Our Treaty is apart of the US Constitution and the Supreme Law of the Land for us.

I will exercise my Rights as I exercise all my other Rights. If you dont like it then to bad.

I honestly thought this place was starting to turn a chapter but it seems nothing ceases to amaze me.

 Thanks for admitting it.

[trophyhunt]

Other species are also in the agreement for swakane, and with no limit on deer and elk, I wonder what the future is for the deer there?  Will the jerky guy head over there now and fill up the back of his truck in November?  I see no more sheep tags for non natives in the swakane in our near future.  The bolt decision was a complete bucket of crap. 

[Skyvalhunter]

Its ok that area will burn up too.

[trophyhunt]

As a life member of wa wild Sheep foundation , I’d love to hear their thoughts on this new hunt.

[birddogdad]

I just love how many try to interpret my culture and history as if they are tribal members.

You want it you got it. A spade is a spade. I do because I can. I do because it's my Reserved Right. My ancestors were better negotiators than the US gov't and now people are upset because we're  sticking to the agreed upon stipulations.

We weren't given nothing, granted nothing, our Ancestors Reserved Our Rights during the negotiations.  Our Treaty is apart of the US Constitution and the Supreme Law of the Land for us.

I will exercise my Rights as I exercise all my other Rights. If you dont like it then to bad.

I honestly thought this place was starting to turn a chapter but it seems nothing ceases to amaze me.

your opening sentence speaks volumes why pages never turn my friend.... inequalities abound....culture or cultural differences have very little to do with any discussions posted here... i have had some very positive and very negative personal interactions with members of various groups in the PNW but i will say without hesitation that the negative overshadowed the few positives with how i was mistreated by those seeking to exercise rights.....food for thought....

[meatwhack]

How much Indian do you currently need to be to have hunting rights?