Permit quotas

[BULLBLASTER]

I'm just selfish and out for myself

I like it. Do you think that you could change your screen name again...I'mjustselfishandoutformyself. Or is that too long??

I heard mods can be bought to change peoples profiles... 

@jackelope

[dreamingbig]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

I have written countless letters and will continue to.  To this date I haven’t received a single response.

In the past decade this has become clear:

1.  The state will not change their approach to predator management.  By their actions it screams that they give zero fs about future generations being able to hunt.  It starts at the governors level and trickles down.  They want this state to be like CA.

The predator problem includes wolves, bears and lions.  We need OTC spring bear now:  we need a wolf season now.  We need to be able to hunt lions with hounds:  I don’t see any of this happening in time to save the deer and elk.

2.  The courts decision in the late 80s to give native Americans unfettered access to wildlife is something they will never be able to manage around.  Nor are they willing to fight it in court.  How is WA the only state with this problem?


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[Mr Mykiss]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed bear impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

[BULLBLASTER]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed bear impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

Good point. There isn’t much for options in the bull category unless you have a rifle tag.

[bobcat]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed near impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

No, and there never was. Same with deer. Should just be buck permits and bull permits. No need for the quality category. They only made the extra categories so they can sell more applications.

[WSU]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed bear impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

Yes. Money.

[dreamingbig]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed bear impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

Yes. Money.

This and they were able to add rut hunts for rifle in September.


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[BULLBLASTER]

Is there any point in having BULL and QUALITY ELK permits anymore?? They’re both dammed bear impossible to draw and there’s only a small number of total tags in each category...

Yes. Money.

This and they were able to add rut hunts for rifle in September.


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They don’t need another category just for September hunts. I say make a guy pick what he wants not try for both.

[elksnout]

Not sure I understand. In 2017 my son drew a coveted muzzy quality bull tag for the Yakima herd. This was to me, an epic hunt. We saw so many adult bulls I couldn't believe we were hunting in Washington. Now 1.5 years later we've gone to this?

I've had a Washington elk tag in my pocket every year since 1972. I'm aging. I still have the legs, lungs and pure desire to give each season my best shot. But I'm also running out of time.... Going into the 2019 drawings I'll have 20 points if I recall correctly. It's becoming unreasonable to think that I'll draw with what years I have left with so little numbers of permits available. I feel you "young" guns don't get that. It's been mentioned on here that we owe our fathers by continuing to support conservation, etc. I can tell you that I do not need any lecture or reminder of this. If I cared that I filled my tag each year I can assure anyone that I would have stopped buying tags many years ago.

So with all of this I don't think that I'll be purchasing anymore applications which is a hard pill for me to swallow. I'll buy a deer tag and hunt my beloved spot for blacktails. Might do the bear tag too. That and make my annual trek to eastern Oregon for archery elk. Over and out.

Elksnout

[JimmyHoffa]

If people want to make a difference, predator hunt those GMUs this year.  Take as many predators as legal.  As many hunters as possible.   That's one way to help the herds, that we can all directly contribute by taking action on.

I disagree with protesting by not buying licenses and tags.  WDFW will just raise prices to make up for the revenue shortfall, so the rest of us pay higher prices. The end result will be the same tag situation, except with higher prices for all.   And once prices go up, they won't come back down, regardless if more people start buying licenses/tags.

I will agree that predator hunting will help with herds overall, all species; but when a specific class of animals in a certain area is getting hit hard, maybe something else needs done.
I don't think the predator hunting would solve the issue for the GMUs mostly being talked about (referring to mature bull elk).  A post a couple pages back showed there wasn't really a drop in cows.  And the cows taken to reduce herd size are somewhat attributable to WDFW.  If all parts of the herd were dropping, it might be helpful to take predators.  Sounds like the decline is in big bulls which the special permits are for.  The OTC for spikes is still unlimited.
If enough predator hunting was done to build the herds way up, it sounds like the bigger bull absence would still be present.

[Oh Mah]

Once I was pissed about this state and their game management, then I got over it...hell I almost understood why it was so difficult for them to NOT DECIMATE the Kahlotus deer herd.

The elk permit quotas...I'm not sure I can get over this. Like seriously I'm formulating a plan to get the hell out, burn points on lesser hunts or no hunts...I'm DEAD SERIOUS.

:yeah:I've been considering this since I had 10 points, now at 24 points, I really want out.  Once drawn, I'm done.

I have 28 points and my odds are so bad that I always include a buddy on my app because the odds between 28 and 17 points are pretty much equally a crap burrito sandwich!!

Entries in the pot with 28 points is 784.  Entries in the pot with 17 points is 289.  Yes the odds are terrible, but you would have twice the chance of drawing with your 28 instead of the 17.  On top of that, if you entered with your 28 points and 784 entries and your buddy put in with his assumed 17 points and 289 entries that would give the two of you 1073 entries that ONE of you (not both) would get drawn.  That is what we do.  We all put in separately because getting a super quality tag ever so often is better than all of us getting it the same year and trying to fill the all of the tags with quality animals.  When one draws the entire group can help him or her have the hunt of a lifetime.  Now with all of that said, if there are very many quality animals left on public land in Washington is open for debate.  I'm still in that out of state is where you need to go but that can be tough too if you don't have good options and info.

Still reading all the post so i can't see what the future posts are yet but want to point out that this is not correct and is not how the points are added with groups. 

[Oh Mah]

Ok i have read all the posts in this thread and no one talked about it so i will for a second.

1 hunter with 28 points and 1 with 17 goes in with the average.

28 + 17 = 45 points divide by 2 = 22.5 points squared =506.25 entries.Cutting the chances of 1 almost in half and almost doubling the chances of the other. 

[Mr Mykiss]

Well said OM...I’ll get even more technical on ya. It takes by chances from horse poop to dog poop to apply with a buddy so what the heck!!

[Oh Mah]

yep  low chance to no chance

[Karl Blanchard]

Probably wanna read dvolmers post again gents.  He's saying the opposite.  He's saying if the two guys put in individually, the odds of ONE of them drawing is better than if they put in as a group. He's spot on.