Hunter surrounded by wolves, acts in self-defense when one charges

[wolfbait]

Hunter surrounded by wolves, acts in self-defense when one charges

https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/hunter-surrounded-wolves-acts-self-defense-one-charges?fbclid=IwAR1SERspk0ctmJN2cBwAF4NZ8HafVL14PzeIVstxror7SPZ2sd-KbutORW0

[lokidog]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

[444Marlin]

I haven't heard of this before?  Didn't a camper in BC just get attacked in his campsite by a wolf this past year?

I saw one in NE Oregon last year, and he/she had absolutely no fear of me.  Which is unlike many of the black bear encounters I have had where they are typically running the other direction.

[bigskyhounds]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

Exactly! All of the wolves I saw in MT before they authorized a hunt had little to no concern I was there. After management began it was a totally different story. Our wildlife agencies shouldn't be telling people lies when we haven't had much experience with these wolves on our landscape.

At what point would you feel threatened, or at what point does someone else feel threatend? Do they have a minimum distance a wolf bear or cougar can be justifiably shot in self defense?

[boneaddict]

IT happens more than is reported for obvious reasons.   He is lucky he was observant and armed.  As their food sources dwindle.....

[fowl smacker]

"You can fire a warning shot into the ground", lol ammo is expensive, if I fire a shot with a wolf nearby you can bet it's not going into the ground.

[idahohuntr]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

[bornhunter]

Would like to know how long the conversation was between the guy who shot it and his buddies about reporting it or not. It is the right thing to report it but geez you are taking a chance on getting some wolf hugger making the decision to charge you or not.

[Skyvalhunter]

What it will take is some kid to be attacked and killed. Even then they will say the animal was malnutritioned or had a disease. Why wait until it charges.

[bornhunter]

What it will take is some kid to be attacked and killed. Even then they will say the animal was malnutritioned or had a disease. Why wait until it charges.

[buckfvr]

Best to be prepared for confrontation at all times....if an aggressive predator advances within hand gun range, its time to shoot.

[LDennis24]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

Actually most predators will retreat and then circle back from a better vantage point to survey or decide if it's worth chasing the subject to get a meal. Humans walk upright so it makes us appear much more formidable than we might actually be.

[HighlandLofts]

If a wolf, cougar; or any other large pedetor comes with in handgun distance I would think it would be time to take some serious actions. As far as reporting it to a one sided game department that would take some time to think about. Maybe long enough to let maggots and other wildlife have at it for awhile. What would the hurry be, things aren't going anywhere on their own so report time wouldn't really matter.

[wolfbait]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

Methow Valley Wolf

[bornhunter]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

Methow Valley Wolf

That thing is in someones backyard almost! That is amazing. Looks like a self defense distance to me.

[lokidog]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

SMH You just don't get it do you?  They have no reason to be afraid of us. Is it because we are taller or larger?  I think a moose beats us there, or even an elk. As they encounter more and more people with no negative consequences, how are they supposed to learn to avoid us? They don't! It is the same with cougars, when hunting with dogs was allowed, the cougars that were not killed, lots of females and juvenile males, were educated that people and dogs were not good to be around. There seem to be many more human-cougar encounters since hound hunting was prohibited. It will only get worse with the wolves in populated areas until there is some push back.

[huntnnw]

I know a guy who was shed hunting in 101 when a wolf treed him. Didnt have a firearm and called for help. By the time help arrived the wolf had left. Another was a rifle elk hunter near Aladdin mountain and fired his rifle at a charging wolf just grazing it.

[Fl0und3rz]

"Troopers from each agency responded and investigated the incident, determining the hunter was 27 yards from where the wolf had been when he shot. The Union County District Attorney’s Office concluded the hunter acted in self-defense so the hunter was not charged."

Nice.

[wolfbait]

Last week I saw a wolf trotting down Poorman Cr road, I pulled up to where he dunked off the road, and there he stood about twenty ft off the road, he parallel the road for about fifty yards before trotting into the timber 40 yards behind a house.

Folks are seeing wolves closer to their homes now, it's worse then when the Methow had that sudden wolf "migration" in 2010.

Talk to a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago over in Lower Beaver cr, he walks his dog up the road towards the Finally canyon rd, he said he was coming back and there sat a wolf above the road, watching him. He's looking into getting a gun that holds a few more rounds then six.

Wolves tend to encourage gun ownership in rural communities....

[Dan-o]

Last week I saw a wolf trotting down Poorman Cr road, I pulled up to where he dunked off the road, and there he stood about twenty ft off the road, he parallel the road for about fifty yards before trotting into the timber 40 yards behind a house.

Folks are seeing wolves closer to their homes now, it's worse then when the Methow had that sudden wolf "migration" in 2010.

Talk to a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago over in Lower Beaver cr, he walks his dog up the road towards the Finally canyon rd, he said he was coming back and there sat a wolf above the road, watching him. He's looking into getting a gun that holds a few more rounds then six.

Wolves tend to encourage gun ownership in rural communities....

That's amazing.

I believe you, but man I would not want to be unarmed walking my dog with a wolf looking at us.

[grimace]

I'm not surprised by this at all and I think you're going to see more of it in the future, if they don't have anyone hunting them why would or should they fear us. Wishful thinking I know, but I really hope some sort of season will happen in the near future before someone gets hurt or worse.

Last year my son and I had a run in with wolves during the 215 late archery hunt . We were working our way around a mountain side and we heard wolves howling about 400-500 yards out and below us. Froze in our tracks, accessed the direction of the howling and changed coarse as best we could given the terrain. Since they were below us I didn't put too much thought into it except we should start cutting up hill to gain more distance from them. As we were going around the mountain, maybe 10 minutes later we were walking just above some thicker timber I heard some growling directly below us 15-20 yards out. Hair stood up on the back of my neck, as I'm scanning for it I could see the direction and the tree I suspected it was behind but I wasn't able to put eyes on it. At that point I drew my pea shooter ( really wishing I had more than 5 rnds at the time) Then another one growled from behind use. My son and I stood back to back scanning for a charge, the stand off probably only lasted a few minutes but it felt like eternity. During that time each of them growled several times, I thought one was going to charge for sure, then a few branches broke and all was quiet. They were gone. At that point we looked at each other gathered our thoughts and headed up to higher ground. We never heard or saw them again that day. I suspected they had a fresh kill near by, and were protecting it. But we could have very well been that fresh kill they had in mind..

I have rehashed those moments since then, at the time I only had 5 shots if one did charge so I wasn't going to waist it on a warning shot.

G

 

[bigskyhounds]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

SMH You just don't get it do you?  They have no reason to be afraid of us. Is it because we are taller or larger?  I think a moose beats us there, or even an elk. As they encounter more and more people with no negative consequences, how are they supposed to learn to avoid us? They don't! It is the same with cougars, when hunting with dogs was allowed, the cougars that were not killed, lots of females and juvenile males, were educated that people and dogs were not good to be around. There seem to be many more human-cougar encounters since hound hunting was prohibited. It will only get worse with the wolves in populated areas until there is some push back.

But no one's done a scientific study on this to know if that's actually the case 

We don't need a study to show us the public would be safer. Even if they just approved the pursuit season, that the wdfw can't figure out, it would help a lot.

I hunted lions in northern Alberta probably about 12 years ago. The houndsman I hunted with told me they never had issues with wolves and their dogs. because they were hunted and trapped, those wolves have a fear of humans and associate dogs with people there is always the possibility of an attack but when predators are managed and controlled you don't see the issues we are faced with today.

The main predator in Montana that causes problems is the grizzly bear. Main reason has to be there's little to no management of this predator.

[Skyvalhunter]

They do need a season for grizz over there for sure. They huggers are doing all they can to keep that from happening

[idahohuntr]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

SMH You just don't get it do you?  They have no reason to be afraid of us. Is it because we are taller or larger?  I think a moose beats us there, or even an elk. As they encounter more and more people with no negative consequences, how are they supposed to learn to avoid us? They don't! It is the same with cougars, when hunting with dogs was allowed, the cougars that were not killed, lots of females and juvenile males, were educated that people and dogs were not good to be around. There seem to be many more human-cougar encounters since hound hunting was prohibited. It will only get worse with the wolves in populated areas until there is some push back.

There are some negative consequences and interactions with humans even in "unhunted" areas like WA.  My point is there are hundreds of wolves and thousands of cougars in wa...if the quote above about usually avoiding humans was not true there would be fatalities just about every day. 

[zwickeyman]

Idahohunter

Can you at least admit the fact that there has been more attacks/conflicts with Wolves and Cougars in the last 10 years than in the previous 80

There are facts to back that up that even you cant argue

Do you believe these will slowly diminish or will they increase?

Please answer honestly with out political speak

[KFhunter]

I'm not surprised by this at all and I think you're going to see more of it in the future, if they don't have anyone hunting them why would or should they fear us. Wishful thinking I know, but I really hope some sort of season will happen in the near future before someone gets hurt or worse.

Last year my son and I had a run in with wolves during the 215 late archery hunt . We were working our way around a mountain side and we heard wolves howling about 400-500 yards out and below us. Froze in our tracks, accessed the direction of the howling and changed coarse as best we could given the terrain. Since they were below us I didn't put too much thought into it except we should start cutting up hill to gain more distance from them. As we were going around the mountain, maybe 10 minutes later we were walking just above some thicker timber I heard some growling directly below us 15-20 yards out. Hair stood up on the back of my neck, as I'm scanning for it I could see the direction and the tree I suspected it was behind but I wasn't able to put eyes on it. At that point I drew my pea shooter ( really wishing I had more than 5 rnds at the time) Then another one growled from behind use. My son and I stood back to back scanning for a charge, the stand off probably only lasted a few minutes but it felt like eternity. During that time each of them growled several times, I thought one was going to charge for sure, then a few branches broke and all was quiet. They were gone. At that point we looked at each other gathered our thoughts and headed up to higher ground. We never heard or saw them again that day. I suspected they had a fresh kill near by, and were protecting it. But we could have very well been that fresh kill they had in mind..

I have rehashed those moments since then, at the time I only had 5 shots if one did charge so I wasn't going to waist it on a warning shot.

G

 

I suspect they knew you were there well before the howling started, then you heard them gathering the troops in a rally.

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[KFhunter]

From the article... "They will usually avoid humans and leave the area when they see, hear, or smell people close by...."

Why?  They have not been taught that people are not good to be around. To them, we are just prey or another predator to compete with by removing us from their territory.

I think the bold is the key part.  Any predator, hunted or not, is very capable of killing a human and every so often they will.  The more common behavior is to avoid humans, which is what the quote says...if that were not true there would be many people killed per day by predators roaming the woods and rural areas.

SMH You just don't get it do you?  They have no reason to be afraid of us. Is it because we are taller or larger?  I think a moose beats us there, or even an elk. As they encounter more and more people with no negative consequences, how are they supposed to learn to avoid us? They don't! It is the same with cougars, when hunting with dogs was allowed, the cougars that were not killed, lots of females and juvenile males, were educated that people and dogs were not good to be around. There seem to be many more human-cougar encounters since hound hunting was prohibited. It will only get worse with the wolves in populated areas until there is some push back.

There are some negative consequences and interactions with humans even in "unhunted" areas like WA.  My point is there are hundreds of wolves and thousands of cougars in wa...if the quote above about usually avoiding humans was not true there would be fatalities just about every day.

What negative interactions?  That half eaten sammich a wood cutter tossed in the brush? There's so little poaching its a non-factor, is that what your hinting at?

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[pianoman9701]

The more we protect these diseased animals, the more comfortable they'll be finding their food around humans. It's only a matter of time before someone is attacked and/or killed by wolves.

[Hockey21]

Last week I saw a wolf trotting down Poorman Cr road, I pulled up to where he dunked off the road, and there he stood about twenty ft off the road, he parallel the road for about fifty yards before trotting into the timber 40 yards behind a house.

Folks are seeing wolves closer to their homes now, it's worse then when the Methow had that sudden wolf "migration" in 2010.

Talk to a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago over in Lower Beaver cr, he walks his dog up the road towards the Finally canyon rd, he said he was coming back and there sat a wolf above the road, watching him. He's looking into getting a gun that holds a few more rounds then six.

Wolves tend to encourage gun ownership in rural communities....

A couple months ago I was up by Finally Mtn and there were wolves howling across the canyon from me. It's creepy when you know they're close. More so when you hear them or see them.

[grimace]

I'm not surprised by this at all and I think you're going to see more of it in the future, if they don't have anyone hunting them why would or should they fear us. Wishful thinking I know, but I really hope some sort of season will happen in the near future before someone gets hurt or worse.

Last year my son and I had a run in with wolves during the 215 late archery hunt . We were working our way around a mountain side and we heard wolves howling about 400-500 yards out and below us. Froze in our tracks, accessed the direction of the howling and changed coarse as best we could given the terrain. Since they were below us I didn't put too much thought into it except we should start cutting up hill to gain more distance from them. As we were going around the mountain, maybe 10 minutes later we were walking just above some thicker timber I heard some growling directly below us 15-20 yards out. Hair stood up on the back of my neck, as I'm scanning for it I could see the direction and the tree I suspected it was behind but I wasn't able to put eyes on it. At that point I drew my pea shooter ( really wishing I had more than 5 rnds at the time) Then another one growled from behind use. My son and I stood back to back scanning for a charge, the stand off probably only lasted a few minutes but it felt like eternity. During that time each of them growled several times, I thought one was going to charge for sure, then a few branches broke and all was quiet. They were gone. At that point we looked at each other gathered our thoughts and headed up to higher ground. We never heard or saw them again that day. I suspected they had a fresh kill near by, and were protecting it. But we could have very well been that fresh kill they had in mind..

I have rehashed those moments since then, at the time I only had 5 shots if one did charge so I wasn't going to waist it on a warning shot.

G

 

I suspect they knew you were there well before the howling started, then you heard them gathering the troops in a rally.

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That's very possible, most of the videos I have seen seem to have no less than 4 in a pack . I'm just glad it didn't escalate.

G

[jstone]

I have to admit, when I was in Idaho hunting this last deer season I was sleeping 5 miles in by myself. I was nervous all night. I saw some wolf tracks that where huge.
It’s called survival. If it’s close it dies. No matter here or any other state
Not waiting to get bit cause some dumb a?? Politicians agenda.

[KFhunter]

Yup I wont ever poach a wolf, but I will defend myself vigorously

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[buckfvr]

I have to admit, when I was in Idaho hunting this last deer season I was sleeping 5 miles in by myself. I was nervous all night. I saw some wolf tracks that where huge.


It’s called survival. If it’s close it dies. No matter here or any other state
Not waiting to get bit cause some dumb a?? Politicians agenda.

No aggressive predator will be tolerated, neither will I wait to be bit or worse. 

[wolfbait]

The more we protect these diseased animals, the more comfortable they'll be finding their food around humans. It's only a matter of time before someone is attacked and/or killed by wolves.

Then there's the deer hanging around town, and crossing back an forth between homes, town dogs feasting on the deer that are being hit on the roads:

Hydatid disease does not discriminate between people who live in the country and those in the suburbs. Any dog can be infected, as Val says, “The primary danger comes from dogs which have fed on infected gut piles. Also from farm and ranch dogs that have found an infected dead elk and fed on its innards. Since in winter elk will seek refuge in suburbs and hamlets, any resident dog finding dead elk is likely to get infected, and infect its owners in turn. In short, any hunting dog or companion dog that finds a dead deer or elk or an infected gut-pile will bring the disease into the home and to the neighborhood of its owner. And that will include school yards. There is also a real danger to ranch families on whose lands infected elk and deer gather to spend the winter and who crowd in about buildings to escape the marauding wolves.”

http://rangefire.us/2019/12/11/the-destruction-of-nature-why-colorados-push-for-wolves-is-an-appalling-idea/?fbclid=IwAR2nsTyhXgVGdVGbMj5uz7WdWgfdXovTW7vP3UUWJOPCus9ZDZCPJTjK1KU

[idahohuntr]

Idahohunter

Can you at least admit the fact that there has been more attacks/conflicts with Wolves and Cougars in the last 10 years than in the previous 80

There are facts to back that up that even you cant argue

Do you believe these will slowly diminish or will they increase?

Please answer honestly with out political speak

I don't have any data in front of me - but I would agree with your assertion that there have been more wolf conflicts in the last 10 than the previous 80 in WA state.  Wolf numbers in WA state have gone from hardly any to hundreds - and the human population has also increased substantially.  Cougars are probably at all time highs as well. 

I don't see conflicts or attacks diminishing given the politics, people, and predator management in this state.  Will they increase substantially...I doubt it. 

Again, read carefully what I've posted...predators are dangerous, they can and will kill humans.  That is not contradictory to state officials telling people predators usually avoid humans.  If they didn't, there would be 100 fatal attacks every weekend of hunting season.  I don't understand why some folks have to complain when wildlife officials give factual information regarding the dangers of wildlife.  We don't need to exaggerate about predators - as hunters I think we lose credibility with the public when we do so.

Let me know if I failed to answer your questions.

[KFhunter]

"Will they increase substantially? I doubt it"

Only thing I disagree with, I think it will keep increasing

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[zwickeyman]

Idahohunter

Thanks for the response

I do agree with you KFhunter, its going to increase.

[bornhunter]

I have to admit, when I was in Idaho hunting this last deer season I was sleeping 5 miles in by myself. I was nervous all night. I saw some wolf tracks that where huge.
It’s called survival. If it’s close it dies. No matter here or any other state
Not waiting to get bit cause some dumb a?? Politicians agenda.

Now we're talkin!