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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #240 on: March 14, 2020, 12:23:30 AM »
They jacked up bear and cougar tags, and non res wolf went from $30 to $184!!!  :bash:

Guess i better get my wolves this year, cause ill be damned if im paying that for a wolf tag!

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #241 on: March 14, 2020, 06:13:17 AM »
Wolfs need to be treated like coyotes. Only a hunting license required no tag and open 365. The wolf lovers would throw a fit but I don’t think it’d actually effect the population a whole lot.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #242 on: March 14, 2020, 07:04:18 AM »
They jacked up bear and cougar tags, and non res wolf went from $30 to $184!!!  :bash:

Guess i better get my wolves this year, cause ill be damned if im paying that for a wolf tag!

It's confusing, in their email message they claim wolf tags do not increase, but when you view the bill it says they do? Probably have to call IDFG to get the right answer? It would be idiotic to increase wolf tags, they need every hunter packing a wolf tag and that won't happen if they increase NR wolf tags to $186.00.


Update About Nonresident Fee Changes

A new law that increases nonresident hunting and fishing fees was signed by Governor Brad Little on March 3. The new fees become effective with the start of 2021 license sales on Dec. 1, 2020. The law implements a general 10 percent increase in the prices for nonresident items, with larger increases for big game tags and related items such as archery and muzzleloader permits. The law adjusts existing reduced rate licenses for mentored juniors to a general 50 percent discount of the related adult item. The bill does not increase the cost of nonresident wolf tags and Disabled American Veteran licenses and tags.

The full text of House Bill 330, which reflects the fee changes, is available on the Idaho Legislature’s website.  https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sessioninfo/2020/legislation/H0330.pdf

A separate bill signed into law by the Governor on March 9 that takes effect on July 1, 2020, will reduce the archery and muzzleloader permit fees specifically for Disabled American Veterans. The fees for both types of permits were set at $2 for resident and $4 for nonresident Disabled American Veterans, not including the issuance fee of $1.75.

Why did Fish and Game propose the fee increase in House Bill 330?

In August, the Idaho Fish and Game Commission adopted a rule that would allow them the discretion to manage nonresident distribution/participation in general deer and elk hunts. The rule is currently pending approval of the legislature. If approved, it would go into effect at the end of the current legislative session.

This rule is an outcome of concerns about hunter crowding and congestion in some popular hunting areas. It would allow the Fish and Game Commission to limit the number of nonresident deer or elk tags available in a specific general hunt unit or elk zone.

Fish and Game anticipates that this may cause some nonresident hunters to redistribute across the state, and others to choose not to hunt. The increased fees proposed in House Bill 330 are necessary to offset the anticipated reduction in nonresident participation and revenue, allowing the Idaho Fish and Game Commission to maintain a balanced budget to support existing services.
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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #243 on: March 14, 2020, 08:04:31 AM »
Thats really strange, I hope its an error. Not many will buy it at that price, which seems counterproductive to their goal

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #244 on: March 14, 2020, 08:05:09 AM »
Wolfs need to be treated like coyotes. Only a hunting license required no tag and open 365. The wolf lovers would throw a fit but I don’t think it’d actually effect the population a whole lot.

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idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #245 on: March 14, 2020, 09:10:34 AM »
LOL at Idaho.

Worst time ever to be increasing fees.  They're going to be back to where they were 5-7 years ago trying to sell all of the non res tags for $199 at an intense discount mid-season trying to get them all sold.

I find it rather hilarious that they cap the number of tags sold, but that locals are complaining about the increasing number of non residents hunting.  This basically doesn't make any sense... if they keep the caps the same but continue to expect to sell out then the number of non residents is the same.  If they wanted fewer people... they could cap the number of permits lower.  More interestingly is that this could work AGAINST them in multiple ways.  You could have lower total revenue due to pushing people away OR I know that many residents were purchasing tags for 2nd elk permits and this higher price could make it more difficult for them to justify and further increase the % of non-residents.

I think Idaho should let markets decide, remove the caps, and use prices to control the tag numbers.  I know, states, no matter how red, fail to understand how to use free markets to achieve their overall objectives.
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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #246 on: March 14, 2020, 09:14:23 AM »
They jacked up bear and cougar tags, and non res wolf went from $30 to $184!!!  :bash:

Guess i better get my wolves this year, cause ill be damned if im paying that for a wolf tag!

Head one state over.  MT dropped theirs a bunch a few years back, I think they are still $50 for nonresidents.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #247 on: March 14, 2020, 09:18:25 AM »
People complain about tags but support Id utv/atv tag requirements?  I dont get it.  What I do get is they are getting what they want;  Fewer hunters from out state, less revenue to support their programs, more wolves, bears and cats to eat their elk n deer.   I say CONGRATS ID!   You won.   I swear Wa. is running their congress now??
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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #248 on: March 14, 2020, 11:39:47 AM »
I don't think they should have raised Non-resident wolf tag prices, but I will say up till now, only a handful of non-resident hunters have actually killed a wolf.  In fact hardly any resident hunters have killed any wolves, most of the wolf harvest have been Resident trappers.
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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #249 on: March 14, 2020, 01:08:28 PM »
LOL at Idaho.

Worst time ever to be increasing fees.  They're going to be back to where they were 5-7 years ago trying to sell all of the non res tags for $199 at an intense discount mid-season trying to get them all sold.

I find it rather hilarious that they cap the number of tags sold, but that locals are complaining about the increasing number of non residents hunting.  This basically doesn't make any sense... if they keep the caps the same but continue to expect to sell out then the number of non residents is the same.  If they wanted fewer people... they could cap the number of permits lower.  More interestingly is that this could work AGAINST them in multiple ways.  You could have lower total revenue due to pushing people away OR I know that many residents were purchasing tags for 2nd elk permits and this higher price could make it more difficult for them to justify and further increase the % of non-residents.

I think Idaho should let markets decide, remove the caps, and use prices to control the tag numbers.  I know, states, no matter how red, fail to understand how to use free markets to achieve their overall objectives.

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So if you support removing the caps for tags and letting the market truly dictate pricing you’d be in favor of making it a rich mans sport because that’s what would happen. There’s only so much game so even with caps removed they’d have to price it accordingly to maintain close to the same number of tag sales. 

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #250 on: March 15, 2020, 08:09:27 AM »
They jacked up bear and cougar tags, and non res wolf went from $30 to $184!!!  :bash:

Guess i better get my wolves this year, cause ill be damned if im paying that for a wolf tag!

It's confusing, in their email message they claim wolf tags do not increase, but when you view the bill it says they do? Probably have to call IDFG to get the right answer? It would be idiotic to increase wolf tags, they need every hunter packing a wolf tag and that won't happen if they increase NR wolf tags to $186.00.


Update About Nonresident Fee Changes

A new law that increases nonresident hunting and fishing fees was signed by Governor Brad Little on March 3. The new fees become effective with the start of 2021 license sales on Dec. 1, 2020. The law implements a general 10 percent increase in the prices for nonresident items, with larger increases for big game tags and related items such as archery and muzzleloader permits. The law adjusts existing reduced rate licenses for mentored juniors to a general 50 percent discount of the related adult item. The bill does not increase the cost of nonresident wolf tags and Disabled American Veteran licenses and tags.

The full text of House Bill 330, which reflects the fee changes, is available on the Idaho Legislature’s website.  https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sessioninfo/2020/legislation/H0330.pdf

A separate bill signed into law by the Governor on March 9 that takes effect on July 1, 2020, will reduce the archery and muzzleloader permit fees specifically for Disabled American Veterans. The fees for both types of permits were set at $2 for resident and $4 for nonresident Disabled American Veterans, not including the issuance fee of $1.75.

Why did Fish and Game propose the fee increase in House Bill 330?

In August, the Idaho Fish and Game Commission adopted a rule that would allow them the discretion to manage nonresident distribution/participation in general deer and elk hunts. The rule is currently pending approval of the legislature. If approved, it would go into effect at the end of the current legislative session.

This rule is an outcome of concerns about hunter crowding and congestion in some popular hunting areas. It would allow the Fish and Game Commission to limit the number of nonresident deer or elk tags available in a specific general hunt unit or elk zone.

Fish and Game anticipates that this may cause some nonresident hunters to redistribute across the state, and others to choose not to hunt. The increased fees proposed in House Bill 330 are necessary to offset the anticipated reduction in nonresident participation and revenue, allowing the Idaho Fish and Game Commission to maintain a balanced budget to support existing services.
Nonresident wolf tag prices have been “reduced” from their actual rate for years, I wanna say the actual rate was $110 or something like that but they’ve sold them at the reduced rate in order to increase sales/incidental wolf kills. I’m guessing they are going to continue that practice because we seem to be in a full court press on wolves right now


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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #251 on: March 15, 2020, 08:26:44 AM »
  Demand will still be high unless the economy collapses like the last time they did a big NR fee hike :yike:
Wonder if the idfg folks are getting nervous about future budgets  :chuckle:
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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #252 on: March 15, 2020, 11:27:05 AM »
I don't think they should have raised Non-resident wolf tag prices, but I will say up till now, only a handful of non-resident hunters have actually killed a wolf.  In fact hardly any resident hunters have killed any wolves, most of the wolf harvest have been Resident trappers.
True. But wouldn't you like everyone to have a tag in their pocket? Just in case?

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #253 on: March 15, 2020, 02:46:19 PM »
NR wolf tags will stay at $31. The commission can recommend. Thats where they will stay

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« Reply #254 on: March 15, 2020, 05:57:01 PM »
LOL at Idaho.

Worst time ever to be increasing fees.  They're going to be back to where they were 5-7 years ago trying to sell all of the non res tags for $199 at an intense discount mid-season trying to get them all sold.

I find it rather hilarious that they cap the number of tags sold, but that locals are complaining about the increasing number of non residents hunting.  This basically doesn't make any sense... if they keep the caps the same but continue to expect to sell out then the number of non residents is the same.  If they wanted fewer people... they could cap the number of permits lower.  More interestingly is that this could work AGAINST them in multiple ways.  You could have lower total revenue due to pushing people away OR I know that many residents were purchasing tags for 2nd elk permits and this higher price could make it more difficult for them to justify and further increase the % of non-residents.

I think Idaho should let markets decide, remove the caps, and use prices to control the tag numbers.  I know, states, no matter how red, fail to understand how to use free markets to achieve their overall objectives.


   

That’s a ridiculous statement without caps either tags would have to be completely unaffordable or we would be overrun with hunters. It’s actually called game management ———— have you never heard of capping tags for everyone in certain units to manage pressure and harvest. Every other state worth hunting makes you draw tags. At least you could appreciate Idaho being otc for non resident. You have to manage hunter numbers at some level to manage game


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