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I guess I would like to see the results of their study without having to do another public records request like I have been. I mean its the sportsmen that help pay for these studies.
My only issue with this is the timing. I get it that they are trying to figure out migration routes but why can't they put the collars on in the summer when they aren't stressed by the cold and snow already? Last year we saw them with the helicopter and by the time they were done the deer were beat and heaving with mouths open. How many die from running them up and down the ridges in the snow? On another note, we have a doe that hangs out around our house that has a collar and tags in both ears. If they have a collar on it why do they need the tags in both ears as well? She just looks defeated and sad, both ears are always drooping and never perk up, which I assume is from the ear tags?Maybe somebody else can shed better light on it but I don't get the timing or the need for tags when they have a collar that can be used as identification.
I think they are trying to understand the migration pattern and buy the land that is in that path so it doesn't get developed. Deer migration is like the salmon returning to spawn if you put up a dam in the river it blocks the salmon. If you put a housing developement or apple orchard in the middle of the deer migration route that is no good either.I have been buying up land for 5 years to save the winter ground. I was contacted by a solar company and offered a lot of money to allow them to fence off my land and cover it in solar panels. I said no because that was hundreds of acres of ground that hundreds of deer and hundreds of elk winter on.It is important work they are doing and gives them the data to prove that certain habitat is vital to protect. There is tons of ground around me but only certain areas hold the deer and elk. Those are the areas they want to confirm and protect. And of course if they can confirm that predators are impacting the population adversely that helps with their argument to increase quotas. I think most hunters believe predators are a problem. If you have data showing that 100 deer received collars and 40 of them ended up dead due to predators you can easily connect the dots. The same can be said if 40 of them end up hit by cars or poached. They need to put up fencing if car impacts are the issue or get more field officers if poaching is the issue.
You nailed it Wyoming Karl, not only are they ahead by gathering migration routes they aren’t as developed or densely populated as Washington so they have a way better chance of keeping those vital corridors open.Sandberm the all mighty dollar is powerful. Green energy pays well compared to open sage and property taxes. Everyone wants a little piece of paradise to put a cabin or trailer on. My land value has doubled in the past two years for recreational use. I’m not selling. It puts extra pressure on the migrating deer and the local deer. They need a place to be secure. We do allow hunting on our place for kids, seniors and we have done wounded warrior hunts. We can control the harvest that way while giving the wildlife some space.
Well here we go with another study. Funny how the WDFW always blames habitat loss and fires as the decline in mule deer population. Not one mention of predators.http://www.ifiberone.com/columbia_basin/helicopters-to-capture-mule-deer-in-chelan-kittitas-and-okanogan-counties-in-mid-january/article_86740132-4eeb-11eb-a09d-23bad7ae6b2e.html
I was contacted by the WDFW this weekend about the study. It is similar to the one they did last year on my place where they netted deer with helicopter gunners, ear tagged them and put collars on them. I own winter range and they are looking to see where the migration corridors are for the deer. He said the deer from last year had a pretty high mortality rate and some of the kills could be pinned directly on predators. The collars give location updates every four hours. If a collar doesn't move for 8 or 12 hours they send a bio to see what happened and why the deer isn't moving. With rapid response they can see if it was a predator kill, poaching or natural causes. I told the bio I had at least 200 deer on my place and they were doing very well. I have seen more does with twins in December than I have since the fire in 2015. I have shot 7 coyotes on my place this year in an effort to control the predation of fawns. He said that just a couple canyons over from me they found a collared doe the week before that had been killed by a cougar. Last year the first month after the collars went on a doe ended up dead in a creek bed adjacent to my property. They thought it might have been a cougar kill but the coyotes had gotten to it also so it was tough to tell. There was a collared wolf in the area but the deer collar and wolf collar were not in close proximity at any point. The wolf was old and had left the pack, it has since died.I think WDFW knows predators are a problem but they are having difficulties getting quotas increased when our beloved governor keeps rejecting their proposals to increase quotas.
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on January 05, 2021, 06:17:36 AMWell here we go with another study. Funny how the WDFW always blames habitat loss and fires as the decline in mule deer population. Not one mention of predators.http://www.ifiberone.com/columbia_basin/helicopters-to-capture-mule-deer-in-chelan-kittitas-and-okanogan-counties-in-mid-january/article_86740132-4eeb-11eb-a09d-23bad7ae6b2e.htmlBased on the 16 billion hunting forum posts from people asking what rural western state/area is the best place to move - I would put habitat loss/degradation from a booming human population as something that ought to terrify any mule deer hunter. Whether the east slope of the Cascades, the Boise foothills, the Colorado front range...Habitat loss/degradation is orders of magnitude more concerning for long term declines and future lost opportunity for mule deer hunting. Make no mistake though...there are a lot of economic interests from many different industries that would prefer hunters focus on non-habitat factors.
When I grow up I wanna be like Rainier10!!! Thanks for your dedication!!! I just gotta grow up... My wife tells me that all the time...
Sounds like they wrapped up netting deer for the year. 22 more collars, purple ear tags, last year was white. Hoping by late spring they have all moved on and just the local deer are hanging out here.
The Methow has a plenty of "habitat" just not many deer..Primary reason for ungulate decimation is overstocked predators, they can "study" migration routes etc. till the cows come home, but it they don't control the predation there won't be anything left to migrate.
Quote from: Rainier10 on January 23, 2021, 08:32:59 PMSounds like they wrapped up netting deer for the year. 22 more collars, purple ear tags, last year was white. Hoping by late spring they have all moved on and just the local deer are hanging out here.They either finished or are waiting for another chopper after crashing the one in Winthrop
I was over there this weekend. All you have to do is drive from Pateros up to Twisp and look at the side hills. There has been plenty of snow over there to push the deer down lower. Problem is there is very few deer. Thus you see very few deer trails in the snow. It doesn't take a special study of the migration routes to see where the deer travel in as much snow is there is now. The deer I seen were in peoples yards and close to the town of Twisp. This year there is no helicopter survey so they have the Bio's driving around counting deer. Am I missing something?
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on January 25, 2021, 10:10:20 AMI was over there this weekend. All you have to do is drive from Pateros up to Twisp and look at the side hills. There has been plenty of snow over there to push the deer down lower. Problem is there is very few deer. Thus you see very few deer trails in the snow. It doesn't take a special study of the migration routes to see where the deer travel in as much snow is there is now. The deer I seen were in peoples yards and close to the town of Twisp. This year there is no helicopter survey so they have the Bio's driving around counting deer. Am I missing something? What they are really doing is checking how much the Wolves have affected the migration Patterns of old compared to what we have today. They have known the Migration trails and patterns for decades.