Floorless tipi style shelter concerns

[Karl Blanchard]

New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff.  It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly.  I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.

take my money! Seriously! That is awesome!

[Fl0und3rz]

New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff.  It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly.  I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.

Right on.  That's slick.  I thought of burning pellets, which could give a slow, low heat.  But that is pretty cool.

[3dvapor]

It's works similar to a small rocket stove actually blows flames back to stove pipe almost.  It's smaller than looks.  I like the fact that it's very compact and mobile but still can be very warm and dry out easily.

[mburrows]

That pellet fed stove is sweet. That’d be ideal for those quick trips when you’re coming back to the truck each night.

[ian_padron]

Zero issues. If the stakes won't hold, use rocks. Once you go floorless you never go back.

[YellowShells]

Do you guys ever have rodent issues in the high country with floorless tents? Like, chewing on your pack, sleeping bag, etc.?

[CaNINE]

Do you guys ever have rodent issues in the high country with floorless tents? Like, chewing on your pack, sleeping bag, etc.?

I awoke to a pack rat trying to remove the stocking cap off my head once. A small price to pay for joy of floorless.

[Boss .300 winmag]

New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff.  It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly.  I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.

That little hoper lasts all night?🤔

[Bushcraft]

I've been using literally every size of shelter that Patrick Smith ever made for almost two decades now, along with a myriad of top-tier 3 and 4 season tents from other manufacturers.

The Northwest, BC, Alaska are different animals. It can get wet and stay that way for a long, long time.

Moral of the story...if you are going to get one of these shelters...GET A FREAKIN' LINER!!!

If you don't get a liner for this type of single layer shelter system with a big footprint with a large internal vs. external heat and humidity differential, you only have yourself to blame for not paying attention and having a crappy hunting or camping trip.


Or, you can just get a liner and a stove and use some common sense with a ground cloth and live like a King in the backcountry, regardless of what Mother Nature throws at you.

[Vek]

There are weather and pitch location scenarios where you won't win against condensation and drip if using a simple singlewall tipi or shelter.  How to stack the deck in your favor:
*learn telltale signs of if and where standing water accumulates on the ground in heavy rain
*camp in the woods...your fly will be warmer due to trees blocking the radiant heat loss path of your fly to the night sky
*camp in the woods...less wind to knock drips off the walls onto your face
*camp in the woods...you won't feel a thing when the snag falls on you in the middle of the night and kills you
*pitch with gap at bottom, and use a shelter with a peak vent
*full tyvek footprint for any part of your sleep system that may touch the ground
*synthetic bag fill

In the context of days-long near-100% unrelenting rain and soakerhose mist:
*you will wet out your gear in the end, unless you have a stove
*2 walls will extend the time it takes for you and your gear to wet out
*how long until you're wetted out to the level of general discomfort in a singlewall shelter?  Dunno.  Couple three days maybe, depending on your day's activities

Parting shot...you can stay pretty damn dry under a large tarp with relatively steep pitch, camped out of the wind.  If your pitch is "open" enough, there won't be significant condensation because there's no temperature delta across the fly.  Manage spindrift and you can stay pretty dry. 

[skagitsteel]

I was super skeptical of floorless tents for a long time (mainly because of where I hunt) now I run floorless about 50%-60% of the time.  I like to run floorless whenever I can but there are a few situations where I go a different route

-early summer in the cascades- bugs can be terrible and its not cold enough to need a stove
-Late October in west side of the cascades- Everything is soaked, no dry wood after the first good wet snow comes and melts makes a stove pointless.  Have had flowing water under my tent on many occasions in good rainstorms, also If you go floorless in deeper snow that time of year, inevitably that snow melts or at least turns to slush midday, the floorless tent becomes a good low-point for melt off and a small lake may occur inside. 
-High winds- I have tried a couple floorless shelters and I haven't found one yet that I'm comfortable in high winds while camping exposed.  If I'm above treelined and its supposed to be windy the Hillberg gets the nod

Outside of those scenarios I actually prefer the floorless route.  Eastern Wa, Montana, Idaho I can't see many situations where floorless would not be proffered.   

[snake]

Revisiting this topic, lots of good info here.  I just set up my Luxe ocrtopeak and burned in my seek outside XL yesterday.  do you guys bring a groundcloth to put under your sleeping pad? Im not planning on getting a liner or a floor.

[andersonjk4]

Revisiting this topic, lots of good info here.  I just set up my Luxe ocrtopeak and burned in my seek outside XL yesterday.  do you guys bring a groundcloth to put under your sleeping pad? Im not planning on getting a liner or a floor.

I just use a piece of Tyvek house wrap. You can make it as big or small as you like. Having some extra clean space for laying out gear is nice.

[snake]

After reading through this again, I ordered a liner, its 3'x7'.

[Wolfdog2314]

After reading through this again, I ordered a liner, its 3'x7'.

Which one did u order? Looking for options to Tyvek also.