1x scopes/red dots

[jrebel]

Anyone have a link to the recorded zoom meeting?

[Hairhunter]

Had to wait for the vote at the end

[Limhangerslayer]

Had to wait for the vote at the end

let me guess, 5-4 vote!?

[idahohuntr]

Had to wait for the vote at the end

let me guess, 5-4 vote!?

I think 6-3 or 7-2...I didn't pay close attention after it was clear it was going to fail. Anderson and Lehmkuhl were yes, others were no...not sure on thorburn.

[Jimmy33]

I’m sorry guys…as a bow hunter, muzzleloader hunter, and rifle Hunter I am so glad that scopes for muzzleloaders and Garmin type rangefinders for archery did not pass. We have to draw the line somewhere.


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[Rigby416]

I'm sorry too!  As an over 70 year old with bad eyes, this sucks.

[Special T]

The muzzy and archery stuff got butchered because each equiptment change was lumped together. This is despite the fact that the GMAC was Divided! Anis Aoudes explanation was lacking. Strange because he is the WDFW facilitator for GMAC. One would think that since the GMAC was only heavily split on 3-4 issues a better explanation could have been provided.

[Jimmy33]

I'm sorry too!  As an over 70 year old with bad eyes, this sucks.

The use of scopes on a muzzleloader should be part of the disabled permit process, not some thing everybody can do.

[buckfvr]

Everyone knows worsening eyesight, hearing loss, joint pain and muscle loss are part of the age-related natural process.  When ya cant do it anymore, ya just cant do it.  Current archery equipment and muzzleloaders are anything but primitive.  I cant believe how many grown men want to be accommodated to make things easier for themselves, regardless of reasoning.   

[jrebel]

I'm sorry too!  As an over 70 year old with bad eyes, this sucks.

The use of scopes on a muzzleloader should be part of the disabled permit process, not some thing everybody can do.

Spoken from someone that probably never fired a one power scope on a muzzy.  From a guy who has......other than clarity, it really has no other benefit.  If anyone want to challenge that, I'm happy to meet you at the range and have you shoot 400 yards with my muzzy and the one power scope on it.  I will laugh my way all the way to the moon and back watching 50% of the rounds miss a 4x8 piece of plywood.  Even at 100 yards I would be the vast majority of shooters couldn't keep a group sub 2 MOA and that will only open up as you extend the range.  I would argue I shoot as well with my peep site, so should we ban those as well and maybe go back to looking down the barrel?  The notion that the 1x scope is going to make someone a better shot at longer ranges is simply a false narrative based on a persons bias or personal beliefs.   

[jrebel]

Everyone knows worsening eyesight, hearing loss, joint pain and muscle loss are part of the age-related natural process.  When ya cant do it anymore, ya just cant do it.  Current archery equipment and muzzleloaders are anything but primitive.  I cant believe how many grown men want to be accommodated to make things easier for themselves, regardless of reasoning.   

So as you age, you are not allowed to use a walker, cane, wheel chair or other mobility device to help you move around??  Maybe you should just sit in your bed and die because you not 21 again. 

[baldopepper]

Well over 70 myself, took a nice buck with my muzzy last year. Old eyes, old knees, old back I just have to get closer and that's the fun part. Just worry that allowing the 1x scopes will lead to more easing of restrictions like it did in Utah. When I can't get em with the old Hawkins with open sights I'll go back to scoped modern rifle hunt.  It's not like they bared you from hunting.

[pd]

Spoken from someone that probably never fired a one power scope on a muzzy.  From a guy who has......other than clarity, it really has no other benefit.  If anyone want to challenge that, I'm happy to meet you at the range and have you shoot 400 yards with my muzzy and the one power scope on it.  I will laugh my way all the way to the moon and back watching 50% of the rounds miss a 4x8 piece of plywood.  Even at 100 yards I would be the vast majority of shooters couldn't keep a group sub 2 MOA and that will only open up as you extend the range.  I would argue I shoot as well with my peep site, so should we ban those as well and maybe go back to looking down the barrel?  The notion that the 1x scope is going to make someone a better shot at longer ranges is simply a false narrative based on a persons bias or personal beliefs.

 

[Jimmy33]

I'm sorry too!  As an over 70 year old with bad eyes, this sucks.

The use of scopes on a muzzleloader should be part of the disabled permit process, not some thing everybody can do.

Spoken from someone that probably never fired a one power scope on a muzzy.  From a guy who has......other than clarity, it really has no other benefit.  If anyone want to challenge that, I'm happy to meet you at the range and have you shoot 400 yards with my muzzy and the one power scope on it.  I will laugh my way all the way to the moon and back watching 50% of the rounds miss a 4x8 piece of plywood.  Even at 100 yards I would be the vast majority of shooters couldn't keep a group sub 2 MOA and that will only open up as you extend the range.  I would argue I shoot as well with my peep site, so should we ban those as well and maybe go back to looking down the barrel?  The notion that the 1x scope is going to make someone a better shot at longer ranges is simply a false narrative based on a persons bias or personal beliefs.

Im sorry jrebel, I do not agree with you. I have shot one with a one power scope. In fact, as many can attest on here, i sold it last year. Absolutely, positively makes a 100 yeRd shot easier. Do t assume you know everything about me…Ive never met you


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[idahohuntr]

I was pleased with the decision.  The wdfw staff seemed to try awfully hard to get it passed but the commission actually got something right for a change.