1x scopes/red dots

[Curly]

The other advantage a scope would provide is much longer range.  You could have a ballistic reticle or use dials to compensate for drop.  A good shooter could probably make 300 yard kills on elk with the right setup, practice, and ability.

I've been against all the muzzleloader rule changes in the last 10 years.  I wish the rules were still how they were when I started muzzleloading in the late '80s.  But with that said, I did buy a new CVA inline for my birthday in January............and when scopes become legal, I will buy a scope for it.

[Bullkllr]

The other advantage a scope would provide is much longer range.  You could have a ballistic reticle or use dials to compensate for drop.  A good shooter could probably make 300 yard kills on elk with the right setup, practice, and ability.

I've been against all the muzzleloader rule changes in the last 10 years.  I wish the rules were still how they were when I started muzzleloading in the late '80s. 

This pretty much sums up my view. It's been a slippery slope, imo. What's next; preloaded charge/bullet containers that load from the breech? Why not?

[jrebel]

The other advantage a scope would provide is much longer range.  You could have a ballistic reticle or use dials to compensate for drop.  A good shooter could probably make 300 yard kills on elk with the right setup, practice, and ability.

I've been against all the muzzleloader rule changes in the last 10 years.  I wish the rules were still how they were when I started muzzleloading in the late '80s. 

This pretty much sums up my view. It's been a slippery slope, imo. What's next; preloaded charge/bullet containers that load from the breech? Why not?

Can you guys please provide me all the scope manufacturers that make a 1x scope (not red dot).  Then narrow the field by ones that come with dial turrets and or graduated reticles.  I would like to buy a couple for when it is finally approved. 

[steeleywhopper]

Might as well try and get everything legalized while we can still hunt. Our new Anti-hunter group WDFW will soon have us looking for deer and elk turds to boil as hunting will soon be banned if Insleeze has his ways.
Bring on the 1x scope as far as I'm concerned.

[GWP]

I used a magnifying attachments on a dot scope. Tasco was one brand. That was many years ago. Not sure anyone makes a 1x or 1.5x these days. Thompson Center did a long time ago.

[full choke]

Might as well try and get everything legalized while we can still hunt. Our new Antihunter group WDFW will soon have us looking for deer and elk turds to boil as hunting will soon be banned if Insleeze has his ways.
Bring on the 1x scope as far as I'm concerned.

I am opposed to the 1x scopes, but you are not wrong. I honestly do not think we will be hunting in WA in ten years.

[Tenkara]

I bought a  Traditions 1x muzzleloader
scope last year. I have not mounted it up yet but the only advantage  I see looking thru it is that everything is sharp again but I really doubt It's going to change my range any.

[James]

I am against the use of scopes/red dots/etc. during muzzy season with the exception of disability and possibly elderly hunters. There are off the shelf 400 yard Muzzeys these days and I really think the simplest way to keep muzzy season from turning into modern is limit sights. One rule and it all stays in check, vs a million tiny silly rules where there is still loop holes.


In my mind the big advantage of 1x scopes/red dots would be improved shots in the "golden hour" and tough lighting/contrast situations.  I have a larger rear peep sight on my muzzy than is ideal for accuracy because to be able to take a shot closer to first/last light as well as tough lighting situations. Smaller peep might be more precise, but if the light and contrast is low you can't send a round down range.

The other advantage a scope would provide is much longer range.  You could have a ballistic reticle or use dials to compensate for drop.  A good shooter could probably make 300 yard kills on elk with the right setup, practice, and ability.

I've been against all the muzzleloader rule changes in the last 10 years.  I wish the rules were still how they were when I started muzzleloading in the late '80s.  But with that said, I did buy a new CVA inline for my birthday in January............and when scopes become legal, I will buy a scope for it.

Williams sells a ballistic retrical for front hood sights.

[GASoline71]

Might as well have separate seasons.

"Muzzleloader" and "Archery" seasons, where any doo-dad you wanna have to increase your advantage can be clipped, glued, bolted, welded, etc. to their weapon of choice.

Then we can have a "primitive weapon" season, that stays with how "non modern" muzzleloaders and trad archery weapons are used.

Gary

[Jimmy33]

I am really surprised that there are people that still think that people are dumb enough to believe that scopes, regardless of magnification, don’t greatly increase accuracy. Please take the time to do research and not just be an internet/web expert. Ask Utah residents what they think of scopes on muzzleloaders. You guys who think scopes on muzzy’s are ok need to do your homework and actually shoot a gun with a scope on it and one without. It will take you 5 minutes to realize that it is a huge advantage and that its way different than shooting a gun on a video game which is probably the only gun you have ever shot.


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[Tenkara]

I am really surprised that there are people that still think that people are dumb enough to believe that scopes, regardless of magnification, don’t greatly increase accuracy. Please take the time to do research and not just be an internet/web expert. Ask Utah residents what they think of scopes on muzzleloaders. You guys who think scopes on muzzy’s are ok need to do your homework and actually shoot a gun with a scope on it and one without. It will take you 5 minutes to realize that it is a huge advantage and that its way different than shooting a gun on a video game which is probably the only gun you have ever shot.


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Nice job with the name calling. 

[GWP]

Powered, non powered, fixed crosshair, light dot, etched, MAN! There will be so many choices!!!
Anyone else have trouble using the 'etched' dot or crosshair scopes? I see two images, one brighter than the other.

[Jimmy33]

I am really surprised that there are people that still think that people are dumb enough to believe that scopes, regardless of magnification, don’t greatly increase accuracy. Please take the time to do research and not just be an internet/web expert. Ask Utah residents what they think of scopes on muzzleloaders. You guys who think scopes on muzzy’s are ok need to do your homework and actually shoot a gun with a scope on it and one without. It will take you 5 minutes to realize that it is a huge advantage and that its way different than shooting a gun on a video game which is probably the only gun you have ever shot.


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Nice job with the name calling. 

No one is calling anyone names. Someone is just pointing out that scopes are an advantage, and people who think they aren’t an advantage are just not very experienced in shooting with and without them or are mad because they got voted down again.


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[bobcat]

A scope would definitely be a huge advantage. With my peep sight a 75 yard shot on a deer would be about as far as I'd want to attempt. Elk I could do about 125 yards. But with a scope I'm sure 200 yards would not be a problem.

[jrebel]

I am really surprised that there are people that still think that people are dumb enough to believe that scopes, regardless of magnification, don’t greatly increase accuracy. Please take the time to do research and not just be an internet/web expert. Ask Utah residents what they think of scopes on muzzleloaders. You guys who think scopes on muzzy’s are ok need to do your homework and actually shoot a gun with a scope on it and one without. It will take you 5 minutes to realize that it is a huge advantage and that its way different than shooting a gun on a video game which is probably the only gun you have ever shot.


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Nice job with the name calling. 

No one is calling anyone names. Someone is just pointing out that scopes are an advantage, and people who think they aren’t an advantage are just not very experienced in shooting with and without them or are mad because they got voted down again.


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"Dumb" enough....LOL  "Inexperienced"...LOL 

You are killing me.  I'm neither and would put my shooting skills against most on this site.  I've got more money in optics today than most will have in their lifetime.  I also shoot and collect a lot of lever guns with open sites.  I own multiple 1x scopes and have shot with them as well as with peep sites and can definitively say that a 1x scope does not extend a guys effective range.  Are they clearer...yes, but isn't that the point?  Could they make a guy more accurate within their effective range.....yes, but isn't that the point?  Will they turn a muzzleloader into a "single shot rifle", as asserted in an earlier post....isn't that basically what a muzzleloader is anyway?? 

What a 1x scope will not do....It will not turn a muzzleloader into an effective long range firearm.  It will not increase harvest numbers overall.  It will not take away the ability to not use a 1x if you choose to roll old school.  It will not take away birthdays and it will not make you any less of a man for choosing not to use one. 

Now....to your point about being "mad" for being "voted down".....LOL  Again...you killing me smalls!!!  I primarily hunt with archery for deer and elk.  My secondary is rifle.  I do enjoy shooting and hunting with muzzy's but to make the assertion I am mad because I got voted down is not accurate.  You sir are showing your true colors by name calling and make assertions that are factually inaccurate.   

I like others on this site believe that 1x scopes can be a good adjunct to muzzleloader hunters.  It can help with people that don't see as well and can't focus on the front and rear site like they used to.  It assist in making more accurate shots on game within an effective range, leading to less lost or wounded game.  It can be another tool in the tool box for those who wish to use it.....and if you don't want to, that would be ok as well.  See....Where we differ if I don't believe my way is the only way.  I believe that tools are tools and some may want to use them, why some choose not to....and I'm ok with that.  You sir love to impose your will on others and then call them dumb for having a differing opinion. 

Lastly....If I thought a 1x scope would significantly increase harvest numbers, I would be against it.  I am against variable power scope on muzzy's for the sole reason it does provide an advantage beyond what I believe (my opinion) to be reasonable for a primitive weapon season and could turn certain muzzy's in to long(er) range killers.