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Dennis, there is no fight, that’s the truth.
Agree bigtex, and the other prob is social media really won’t do anything, like this one. We could have video of a certain tribal member in flip flops killing multiple bulls to sell, and One non native spotlighting a spike, the woke news would only report on the non native. It’s a joke, just not funny.
Meh, It's been posted for years has it had an effect yet?
Quote from: idahohuntr on March 22, 2022, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMCongress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. This is not correct and clarification here may help in understanding some of these tribal issues...treaty rights are often referred to as 'reserved' rights....rights the Tribes have always had (pre-dating US Gov't) and which are so important to them they explicitly reserved them at the time they ceded other rights/interests/claims to broad swaths of land.Quote from: KFhunter on March 22, 2022, 09:53:35 AMBut a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of lawI disagree. Federal Indian law and interpretation of treaties is generally well reasoned/supported by the case law. Obviously reasonable people can come to different conclusions on any individual case...but collectively I would not view any broad set of rulings as reparations...I think that view is more common from folks who forget the hundred-ish years treaty rights were ignored or even criminalized. You missed my point, which is that either by treaty or judicial decision, the government is responsible for Native resource rights. The tribes don't just decide something is theirs and take it.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMCongress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. This is not correct and clarification here may help in understanding some of these tribal issues...treaty rights are often referred to as 'reserved' rights....rights the Tribes have always had (pre-dating US Gov't) and which are so important to them they explicitly reserved them at the time they ceded other rights/interests/claims to broad swaths of land.Quote from: KFhunter on March 22, 2022, 09:53:35 AMBut a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of lawI disagree. Federal Indian law and interpretation of treaties is generally well reasoned/supported by the case law. Obviously reasonable people can come to different conclusions on any individual case...but collectively I would not view any broad set of rulings as reparations...I think that view is more common from folks who forget the hundred-ish years treaty rights were ignored or even criminalized.
Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes.
But a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of law
Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 11:08:34 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 22, 2022, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMCongress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. This is not correct and clarification here may help in understanding some of these tribal issues...treaty rights are often referred to as 'reserved' rights....rights the Tribes have always had (pre-dating US Gov't) and which are so important to them they explicitly reserved them at the time they ceded other rights/interests/claims to broad swaths of land.Quote from: KFhunter on March 22, 2022, 09:53:35 AMBut a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of lawI disagree. Federal Indian law and interpretation of treaties is generally well reasoned/supported by the case law. Obviously reasonable people can come to different conclusions on any individual case...but collectively I would not view any broad set of rulings as reparations...I think that view is more common from folks who forget the hundred-ish years treaty rights were ignored or even criminalized. You missed my point, which is that either by treaty or judicial decision, the government is responsible for Native resource rights. The tribes don't just decide something is theirs and take it.Look at it this way.... If I had exclusive rights(or whatever ya wanna call it) to shoot bighorns in the Swak., as many as I wanted to, any day of the year.........I would not do it. I would take 1, and be happy. SHARING with your fellow sportsman/women, and helping others achieve the same goals we all have interest in is a long lost thing. SAD
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Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMQuote from: snake on March 21, 2022, 08:14:40 PMI do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal. The point is you're blaming the wrong people. Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. They didn't just show up and demand them. Blame the gov't., not the Tribes.If there were a lotto and you won exclusive rights to sheds or year-round elk hunting or unlimited crabbing or snagging chums or something else you love to hunt or fish, would you turn it down? I doubt it. If our government allows Native people to harvest antlers and elk at Oak Creek and you don't like it, talk to your duly-elected government.Yes boss, I understand how it all works and how it came to be so. I still stand by my post. These "rights" are being greatly abused by many in the tribe and that's a fact. Its not native bashing.
Quote from: snake on March 21, 2022, 08:14:40 PMI do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal. The point is you're blaming the wrong people. Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. They didn't just show up and demand them. Blame the gov't., not the Tribes.If there were a lotto and you won exclusive rights to sheds or year-round elk hunting or unlimited crabbing or snagging chums or something else you love to hunt or fish, would you turn it down? I doubt it. If our government allows Native people to harvest antlers and elk at Oak Creek and you don't like it, talk to your duly-elected government.
I do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal.
Quote from: NOCK NOCK on March 22, 2022, 07:24:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 11:08:34 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 22, 2022, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMCongress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. This is not correct and clarification here may help in understanding some of these tribal issues...treaty rights are often referred to as 'reserved' rights....rights the Tribes have always had (pre-dating US Gov't) and which are so important to them they explicitly reserved them at the time they ceded other rights/interests/claims to broad swaths of land.Quote from: KFhunter on March 22, 2022, 09:53:35 AMBut a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of lawI disagree. Federal Indian law and interpretation of treaties is generally well reasoned/supported by the case law. Obviously reasonable people can come to different conclusions on any individual case...but collectively I would not view any broad set of rulings as reparations...I think that view is more common from folks who forget the hundred-ish years treaty rights were ignored or even criminalized. You missed my point, which is that either by treaty or judicial decision, the government is responsible for Native resource rights. The tribes don't just decide something is theirs and take it.Look at it this way.... If I had exclusive rights(or whatever ya wanna call it) to shoot bighorns in the Swak., as many as I wanted to, any day of the year.........I would not do it. I would take 1, and be happy. SHARING with your fellow sportsman/women, and helping others achieve the same goals we all have interest in is a long lost thing. SADNot had you been raised differently, you're using the lens of your upbringing, your ethics, your moral code.