Oak creek open up for natives

[trophyhunt]

These threads show up a few times a year. I get it, venting and frustration. But allot of it is I heard from a guy that heard from a guy, then it turns into mob mentality and some comments show up that are flat out disrespectful, distasteful and hate filled. We all know tribes have rights to fish and game that exceed most of our own. And no I don't always agree with them. And sometimes I vent. But venting hatred is not going to accomplish anything. Except continue the division that drives good people away from this site. We used to have some level headed tribal perspective but those days are gone. And I don't blame those guy's for leaving or not chiming in anymore...

If you want to find tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there...but, just the same, if you want to find non tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there as well...And probably at higher levels. Does going in oak Creek for an unknown elk harvest....season driven, ceremonial or otherwise constitute abuse. And does collecting shed antlers constitute abuse. I mean shed antlers aren't even "managed" by the State. Plenty of places to shed hunt. And plenty of non tribal guys sneaking in from the back roads and the tops via snow machines and quads to get first dibs... Maybe gathering shed's should be illegal. I'm sure if enough people complain about who gets first dibs the state will just list sheds the same as deadheads.

I guess in my book this a small part of a bigger problem.

Now, if you want to get me fired up let's talk about tribal halibut fishing that started a couple weeks ago....

Are you sure they started halibut fishing or did you just hear about it???  Have you seen it for yourself? 

 

[fishngamereaper]

These threads show up a few times a year. I get it, venting and frustration. But allot of it is I heard from a guy that heard from a guy, then it turns into mob mentality and some comments show up that are flat out disrespectful, distasteful and hate filled. We all know tribes have rights to fish and game that exceed most of our own. And no I don't always agree with them. And sometimes I vent. But venting hatred is not going to accomplish anything. Except continue the division that drives good people away from this site. We used to have some level headed tribal perspective but those days are gone. And I don't blame those guy's for leaving or not chiming in anymore...

If you want to find tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there...but, just the same, if you want to find non tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there as well...And probably at higher levels. Does going in oak Creek for an unknown elk harvest....season driven, ceremonial or otherwise constitute abuse. And does collecting shed antlers constitute abuse. I mean shed antlers aren't even "managed" by the State. Plenty of places to shed hunt. And plenty of non tribal guys sneaking in from the back roads and the tops via snow machines and quads to get first dibs... Maybe gathering shed's should be illegal. I'm sure if enough people complain about who gets first dibs the state will just list sheds the same as deadheads.

I guess in my book this a small part of a bigger problem.

Now, if you want to get me fired up let's talk about tribal halibut fishing that started a couple weeks ago....

Are you sure they started halibut fishing or did you just hear about it???  Have you seen it for yourself? 

 

Yes I know allot of tribal guys ..
I stay in the loop...gets me good Intel on halibut spots and also a preview of shrimp numbers since they have seasons coming up in a couple weeks.

[Odell]

These threads show up a few times a year. I get it, venting and frustration. But allot of it is I heard from a guy that heard from a guy, then it turns into mob mentality and some comments show up that are flat out disrespectful, distasteful and hate filled. We all know tribes have rights to fish and game that exceed most of our own. And no I don't always agree with them. And sometimes I vent. But venting hatred is not going to accomplish anything. Except continue the division that drives good people away from this site. We used to have some level headed tribal perspective but those days are gone. And I don't blame those guy's for leaving or not chiming in anymore...

If you want to find tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there...but, just the same, if you want to find non tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there as well...And probably at higher levels. Does going in oak Creek for an unknown elk harvest....season driven, ceremonial or otherwise constitute abuse. And does collecting shed antlers constitute abuse. I mean shed antlers aren't even "managed" by the State. Plenty of places to shed hunt. And plenty of non tribal guys sneaking in from the back roads and the tops via snow machines and quads to get first dibs... Maybe gathering shed's should be illegal. I'm sure if enough people complain about who gets first dibs the state will just list sheds the same as deadheads.

I guess in my book this a small part of a bigger problem.

Now, if you want to get me fired up let's talk about tribal halibut fishing that started a couple weeks ago....

A significant difference is enforcement. It seems there is no ability to address tribal members shooting bulls and bucks for jerky and antler sales.

I would like the whole thing demonetized. It needs to be illegal to sell or purchase any part of a game animal. No antlers, no meat, no taxidermy, no  nothing.

this already exists with waterfowl

[Rainier10]

Do I need to bring up operation Cody and all the deer and elk one non tribal individual was killing and got 90 days house arrest for. I’m not sure I would call that enforcement/punishment that fit the crime.

[Skyvalhunter]

Different standard

[Rainier10]

Different standard

The poster before me said the significant difference is enforcement. I would say there is little difference between enforcement of egregious tribal and non tribal overharvest.

[trophyhunt]

Do I need to bring up operation Cody and all the deer and elk one non tribal individual was killing and got 90 days house arrest for. I’m not sure I would call that enforcement/punishment that fit the crime.

That sob did not get what he deserved, but the yakama members that delivered deer and elk every week to him didn't get anything. 

[Buzzsaw461]

 

Do I need to bring up operation Cody and all the deer and elk one non tribal individual was killing and got 90 days house arrest for. I’m not sure I would call that enforcement/punishment that fit the crime.

That sob did not get what he deserved, but the yakama members that delivered deer and elk every week to him didn't anything.

[Buzzsaw461]

Nice one🤣

These threads show up a few times a year. I get it, venting and frustration. But allot of it is I heard from a guy that heard from a guy, then it turns into mob mentality and some comments show up that are flat out disrespectful, distasteful and hate filled. We all know tribes have rights to fish and game that exceed most of our own. And no I don't always agree with them. And sometimes I vent. But venting hatred is not going to accomplish anything. Except continue the division that drives good people away from this site. We used to have some level headed tribal perspective but those days are gone. And I don't blame those guy's for leaving or not chiming in anymore...

If you want to find tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there...but, just the same, if you want to find non tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there as well...And probably at higher levels. Does going in oak Creek for an unknown elk harvest....season driven, ceremonial or otherwise constitute abuse. And does collecting shed antlers constitute abuse. I mean shed antlers aren't even "managed" by the State. Plenty of places to shed hunt. And plenty of non tribal guys sneaking in from the back roads and the tops via snow machines and quads to get first dibs... Maybe gathering shed's should be illegal. I'm sure if enough people complain about who gets first dibs the state will just list sheds the same as deadheads.

I guess in my book this a small part of a bigger problem.

Now, if you want to get me fired up let's talk about tribal halibut fishing that started a couple weeks ago....

Are you sure they started halibut fishing or did you just hear about it???  Have you seen it for yourself? 

 

[royalbull]

I could care less about those sheds in Oak Creek, I just wish the Muckleshoots would stay on the West side and not venture onto the little naches to kill elk

[Colby Otto]

I could care less about those sheds in Oak Creek, I just wish the Muckleshoots would stay on the West side and not venture onto the little naches to kill elk

 

[trophyhunt]

I could care less about those sheds in Oak Creek, I just wish the Muckleshoots would stay on the West side and not venture onto the little naches to kill elk

They tricked the yakamas, and I believe that first year after they got permission to hunt the Eastside the mucks took as many deer as non natives. Now some would say that’s a 50/50 split, but it’s more like 1% of the population getting more than their share. Not sure what the numbers have been the past few years.

[Whitefoot]

With what is going on, f barking, I think it’s time to bite. Not sure how many more of us can take this crap. Bend over, take it dry!  Yeah, I’m pissed, pissed about a lot of crap going on, I understand the whole “straw that broke the camels back” now more than ever.

[Whitefoot]

No longer will I bash any non natives for sneaking in early in that area, natives are allowed inside the gate to gather antlers, and harvest elk if it is within their time line. I guess this isn’t new but it’s the first I heard of it. Such BS

What's our timeline Jerry? 

[Tbar]

These threads show up a few times a year. I get it, venting and frustration. But allot of it is I heard from a guy that heard from a guy, then it turns into mob mentality and some comments show up that are flat out disrespectful, distasteful and hate filled. We all know tribes have rights to fish and game that exceed most of our own. And no I don't always agree with them. And sometimes I vent. But venting hatred is not going to accomplish anything. Except continue the division that drives good people away from this site. We used to have some level headed tribal perspective but those days are gone. And I don't blame those guy's for leaving or not chiming in anymore...

If you want to find tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there...but, just the same, if you want to find non tribal abuse of fish and game it's out there as well...And probably at higher levels. Does going in oak Creek for an unknown elk harvest....season driven, ceremonial or otherwise constitute abuse. And does collecting shed antlers constitute abuse. I mean shed antlers aren't even "managed" by the State. Plenty of places to shed hunt. And plenty of non tribal guys sneaking in from the back roads and the tops via snow machines and quads to get first dibs... Maybe gathering shed's should be illegal. I'm sure if enough people complain about who gets first dibs the state will just list sheds the same as deadheads.

I guess in my book this a small part of a bigger problem.

Now, if you want to get me fired up let's talk about tribal halibut fishing that started a couple weeks ago....

Are you sure they started halibut fishing or did you just hear about it???  Have you seen it for yourself? 

 

Fishing was decent today.  Not great but got a few.