Here come the bears

[CarbonHunter]

This will close a ton of land down. May want to take pics of your hunting grounds now. You won’t be hunting it in afew years. I almost bet any roads that wash away now won’t be replaced. Pretty F’n sad.

How is this any different than what has been happening in areas without bears?  The 74 road outside of Greenwater got washed out in 08 and it has never been and will never be replaced. Thousands of acres are slated for return to nature and removal of roads regardless of bear reintroduction.

Why are so many hunters upset about roads getting removed and giving more roadless areas for all animals?

Because not every hunter or even non hunters are physically capable of hiking miles in to enjoy the outdoors.

That and how many more "roadless" areas does this state really need? Plus the trend seems to be once it's gone, she's gone for good.

The roads and people are a far bigger cause for the low wildlife populations than the presence of predators. Look at Alaska and Canada if you think I’m wrong or where Washington was 400 years ago. If you don’t create more escapement for the wildlife along with better habitat the populations will continue to decline regardless of the presence of bears.

Comparing Alaska to Washington’s wildlife is like comparing apples to oranges. Washington had a robust deer and elk population before hound hunting was outlawed, most logging roads were wide open and no wolves yet. Now there’s an over population of cougars, black bears and wolves, roads are gated or decommissioned, less deer and elk permits given and a glaringly obvious decline in elk and deer populations. How do you explain that?

The decline in habitat and the lice that killed the deer in the early 2000’s. Hound hunting got banned at the same time they stopped logging on federal ground which lead to the decrease in food for the deer and elk. That was followed by the lice wiping out the deer and then came hood rot for the elk.

[Meathunter06]

S.S.S.  a good big ol magnet and a locomotive will take care of any radio collars one might stumble across 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna149558

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[chukardogs]

The last time Grizzly bears were abundant in numbers in the Pacific northwest, the human population was probably a third or less of what it is today. Every tributary that ran to the Columbia and most rivers that ran into the Puget Sound teemed with salmon. There were corridors that were wide open for animals to travel in. There were still large tracts of the Cascades where very few people ever set foot. I hunted the Chiwawa drainage with my family in the 60s/70s, probably 20 years after the majority of the Grizzlys had been eradicated. No roads were paved into the area. The spot we parked our old Willys truck at is now a trailhead used by thousands each year. Hiking the PCT wasn't a right of passage and people didn't have Instagram, Twitter, X or whatever platform they're using today to blog, document and photo bomb their friends with. Where is a Grizzly going to go in the Cascades today where there's enough food, water and seclusion to thrive? It won't take a hungry Grizzly long to figure out where he can get a meal. I've read and understand the biology behind the idea of having grizzlies on the landscape and if man wasn't present in growing numbers, I'd be all for it. The North Cascades aren't Yellowstone National Park!
 Some are saying they hunt in places with Grizzlys and it's great because there's no people. Every thing in the ecosystem is as it's supposed to be. Well super, I went with a couple buddies to the Arctic a couple years back and got dumped 50 miles out in the middle of no where to live for eleven days with Wolves, Wolverines, Grizzly bears and Caribou. Guess how many people we saw? They're two completely different situations! There are places where Grizzlys, Wolves, Wolverines and such can live in peace. The Cascades just ain't one of them. What's the use of putting animals in places where in the end you'll just have to take the most extreme actions to remove some of them because some moron couldn't do without his or her donuts.
 Grizzly bears in the Cascades makes absolutely no sense. How long will it take for a Grizzly to find places like Stehekin, Trinity, Liberty, Holden and many more where humans have garbage piling up? This decision has a myriad of ramifications for a lot of people.
 I suppose the people of the state will learn their lessons, cede more land that they can recreate on until someone has to say, well this idea was a big failure. Hunters will pay more for fewer opportunities and more will just say screw it.
 I always hear follow the money. Who benefits from this? Firearm and bear spray companies and outdoor outfitters that can take groups into the wilds under the guise of offering protection will see a boon. I can't think of another group including the Grizzlys that won't take a hit. Anyone been to Canada lately and driven from Lake Louise to Jasper? Those fences along the hiway aren't for show. They're electric and expensive!
Insanity prevails again!
 

[bigmacc]

Spot on chuckerdogs 👍

[timberfaller]

Yep, been following the story's(agenda)for some time now.   These idiots will never stop, they believe in what they've been indoctrinated in, from what-ever college they attended.

You can't reason with them, they think they are building back better AKA: Utopia!

I've read the first ones coming, will be released into Chelan County!! 

But hey, keep voting for D's,  you'll get what you voted for!!

[timberfaller]

Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!

[pianoman9701]

Read this article right after the survey article stating the states wolf population has grown by an average of 23% since 2008. What a mess this state has become 

More like 23% per year.

[O. Nerka]

Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!

Do you know roughly when that would have been? 1940s?

[bigmacc]

Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!

No I don’t know who it was faller, I did hear the story a few times though but never seen any pictures.

My dad, myself and another partner are 99 percent sure we seen one back in the 80,s up around Andrews, had all the characteristics and looks of a grizzly but it wouldn’t slow down to get a good look. We were so sure it was a grizzly that we didn’t take a shot although we had 3 bear tags between us. We watched that thing go across a hillside at about 300-350 yards, we all studied him with good glass at the time and nobody wanted to squeeze one off. It was that “iffy”.

As some know, my dad practically grew up in Alaska, between my grandparents having some fishing interests up there that he helped with when he was younger to the time he spent up there building the pipeline. He seen plenty of bears from black bear, grizz, Kodiaks and even polar bears. We also are pretty sure we seen one up on the old Stockdrive up above Pearrygin one year(70 or 71), that one was standing in a thicket, couldn’t get a good look at his body but what we could see of his head/face, it was big and dished, once again, enough doubt that we didn’t shoot.

Like I and others have said, I think they’ve been here and there for a long, long time, bouncing back and forth from BC etc. if they like it here, they’ll stay. I don’t think we need to be trucking them in. Bad, bad idea imo.

There’s a reason they don’t stay and set up shop, we’re messing with Mother Nature and under the circumstances in this state it’s probably going to end badly for them, our deer herds(another fawn killer added to the landscape) and humans unfortunately. But hey, there’s agendas at play politically that are not friendly towards hunting in this state, this is another nail in that coffin. That’s why I tell folks, voting D in this state is not a good vote for hunting or gun ownership, just sit back and contemplate what’s happened during Inslees reign concerning hunting, predators and gun ownership.

Sorry to make it political but the state made our hunting opportunities “political” along time ago.

[Mudman]

Wa full of IDIOTS.  Nuff said.

[Sandberm]

Any truth to the rumor that Inslee is proposing to designate a portion of the north Cascades, The Timothy Treadmill Wilderness?

[dwils233]

Any truth to the rumor that Inslee is proposing to designate a portion of the north Cascades, The Timothy Treadmill Wilderness?

There can't be. It's federal land and only the federal legislature or president can designate federal lands to be Wilderness or anything else

[wolfbait]

Feds Approve Grizzlies Back In Washington State, Wyoming Bears Could Be Used

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/04/26/wyoming-bears-could-be-used-for-reintroduction-to-washington-state/

Well at least the USFWS and WDFW won't have to do their sneak releases anymore, can you say problem bears.....

[ducks4days]

It isnt a plus by any means, but at least they are classifying this as an experimental population meaning any individual bear can be euthanized if it becomes a problem. I'm curious what the red line would be for calling the experiment a failure. Like, what happens if the objective is 25 bears, and they release 25 that never reproduce and all move their way back across the border into better habitat. Do they just keep dumping bears in the woods hoping they stick or does the fed call it quits?

[timberfaller]

Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!

Do you know roughly when that would have been? 1940s?

I believe is was pre-40's, back in those days, all the "old-timers" I had discussions with claimed there was very little wildlife to chase in the valley.  It wasn't until the county took over management did most hunt-able wildlife start to become abundant. 

  Bigmacc!