First tribal elk kill of the summer?

[elkkiller]

I'm ok with If an indain wants to  tribal hunt , if thats what it really is, If an Indian is performing a tribale hunt in the manner his ancestors did I'm ok with it. But to drive his new ford truck into the center of a feed lot and take out his 300mag and pop a big bull Is *censored*. Thats Intittlement. When Do we get together as sportsman both state and tribal anf fix this problem. As far as any one else that poaches we should work as a comunity and take care of those *censored*s too. I found a bull three years ago that had his hind quarters cut off with his horn too.I was so pissed off that I could hardly hunt . when i found out that it was a Yakima indain that did it I was really dissipointed in our system . We as sportsman have worked way to hard and spent way too much money preserving the herds to have anyone waste animals. wrong is wrong no matter ho you are. I'm really sorry  and embarassed about the way our ansestors treated the Indains but it's about time to get over it the world isn't fair nor has it even beeen , lets start living as a whole group do what's really important and protect our beautifull wildlife . thanks for letting me vent Coach

[Huntbear]

I'm ok with If an indain wants to  tribal hunt , if thats what it really is, If an Indian is performing a tribale hunt in the manner his ancestors did I'm ok with it. But to drive his new ford truck into the center of a feed lot and take out his 300mag and pop a big bull Is *censored*. Thats Intittlement. When Do we get together as sportsman both state and tribal anf fix this problem. As far as any one else that poaches we should work as a comunity and take care of those *censored*s too. I found a bull three years ago that had his hind quarters cut off with his horn too.I was so pissed off that I could hardly hunt . when i found out that it was a Yakima indain that did it I was really dissipointed in our system . We as sportsman have worked way to hard and spent way too much money preserving the herds to have anyone waste animals. wrong is wrong no matter ho you are. I'm really sorry  and embarassed about the way our ansestors treated the Indains but it's about time to get over it the world isn't fair nor has it even beeen , lets start living as a whole group do what's really important and protect our beautifull wildlife . thanks for letting me vent Coach

Could not agree more with the above.  If the indians in this state want entitled hunting/fishing rights, like they have, they should have to use the weapons and methods of their ancestors.  Hand made bows, arrows and spears, horses, hand dugout canoes, and hand made fish nets from fibrous plants.

If they want to use 4x4 trucks, high powered rifles, and big boats with commercial nets, they should have to follow the same laws and penalties we have to abide by. 

Take a look at the Apache nation, they have some of the most sought after elk hunting in the country, simply because they smartened up and realized what a resource they have, not simply to slaughter the herds and waste animals that are a natural resource.

Even the Native Americans in Oregon have started to figure it out, why are the ones in Washington State so slow.

Will get off my soapbox now.

[huntnphool]

I had to praise them for not firing a few flat shooting varmint rounds at some heads

 Unfortunately it is getting people so riled up something like this is bound to happen, I seriously doubt anything will be done until something like this does happen though.

[Yak-NDN]

I was so pissed off that I could hardly hunt . when i found out that it was a Yakima indain that did it I was really dissipointed in our system . We as sportsman have worked way to hard and spent way too much money preserving the herds to have anyone waste animals. wrong is wrong no matter ho you are. I'm really sorry  and embarassed about the way our ansestors treated the Indains but it's about time to get over it the world isn't fair nor has it even beeen , lets start living as a whole group do what's really important and protect our beautifull wildlife . thanks for letting me vent Coach

I made it off the mountain and didn't even find a shed all you early shed hunters either found them all or pushed the elk to near death into heir ground. Elkkiller I like what you wrote I would like to know how you know that a Yakama Indian killed the elk you found? If I found something like that I would assume it was a non tribal kill why would a Tribal member be in such a hurry that he would only take the hind quarters that sounds like some one that would get into trouble and needed to be on the move (Non Tribal) I know most of the problem Tribal members and they wouldn't leave half an elk they are piece of chit's but I know they have plans for the animal.  To finish this up  elkkiller take your own advice.

(IT'S ABOUT TIME TO GET OVER IT THE WORLD ISN'T FAIR NOR HAS IT EVEN BEEN.)

[teal101]

This is a bunch of sh** I have heard of all your stories and the issues with the Indians, I know that there are issues but there are just as big of issues with non Indians and all you want to cry about are the Tribal issues. The biggest problem on the rez are non Tribal hunters. Like I said before lets go 50/50 there would be more elk, did you see how long the state got to fish for springer's this year? They caught their share in the mater of weeks and only one or two gill net seasons below the dam, Ya that might be a little info for some of you the state has a gill net season below the dam. You all better get your rascal remarks and cheap shots in before the thread gets shut down. You all seem to get a green light on whatever you want to say until some one wants to point out what a bunch of sh** it is. I am on my way to bald mountain today bring your cameras and a friend to help load em up You people piss me off.  I wrote this in a hurry and didn't have time the check it please excuse the mistakes.

Tell ya what.  You ride your horse into the mountains and kill an elk with an old style longbow, hatchet, rocks, spear whatever, just nay method of the old ways, skin it with a handmade knife of stone, quarter and pack it out using handmade animal skin bags all while dressed in only natural handmade clothing like your ancestors and then you can have your "rights" to the animals.

Its pathetic you think your entitled to these animals.  Hunt them like your ancestors did, if you haven't lost "the spirit" that your ancestors once had.  Indians no days make me sick.  And to think you people think your doing nothing wrong.  Sick, just plain sick.

 

[Ihookum]

This is Bull$hit

http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/519759/gonew/1/Elk_Hunting_What_is_Too_Much_B#UNREAD

[hogsniper]

Yep,  and it starts again!!! This has to come to an end soon!!!

[alanger]

this is bull s%!T IHOOKUM. They need to hunt like normal people.

[mjtbackcountry]

 If not gong back to the hunting methods of there ancestors, hit them with the same rights we have. Where is the self respect? Alls they are doing is making themselves look worse and worse. If you are so proud of your tribe wouldn't you want to stand for something good? rather than pull up in a Suburban 10 deep and shoot a bull out from under neath my buddy's and I, that they had worked into 35yds. Given they might have not known we were there, but three guys shooting as fast as they can, horse *censored* . Netting the river while having ten guys on the bank with tuna rods and Treble hooks used for sharks. And this one really gets me, while hunting quail on the Yakima res, come around a corner too hear music blaring than see a truck full of drunk Indians throw someting into a ditch and come to find out its to puppies both there jaws broken one of there jaws completely ripped off and both are dead. What do they not get and this was three different tribes I am talking about.

[Mike_D]

I'm ok with If an indain wants to  tribal hunt , if thats what it really is, If an Indian is performing a tribale hunt in the manner his ancestors did I'm ok with it. But to drive his new ford truck into the center of a feed lot and take out his 300mag and pop a big bull Is *censored*. Thats Intittlement. When Do we get together as sportsman both state and tribal anf fix this problem. As far as any one else that poaches we should work as a comunity and take care of those *censored*s too. I found a bull three years ago that had his hind quarters cut off with his horn too.I was so pissed off that I could hardly hunt . when i found out that it was a Yakima indain that did it I was really dissipointed in our system . We as sportsman have worked way to hard and spent way too much money preserving the herds to have anyone waste animals. wrong is wrong no matter ho you are. I'm really sorry  and embarassed about the way our ansestors treated the Indains but it's about time to get over it the world isn't fair nor has it even beeen , lets start living as a whole group do what's really important and protect our beautifull wildlife . thanks for letting me vent Coach

This definitely makes for a sorry state of affairs...

I'm of the firm belief, that all hunting should have "some limits", and no longer would there be exemptions for Tribes, minorities, etc.

Everyone needs to give and take a little bit here and this would include the tribes.  Loosening their restrictions to the white man on the rez, while at the same time, following the restrictions that are placed on everyone outside the rez.  This would "help" to increase our fish and game.... 

But on the flip side, we really need to wipe out our poachers as well...  That group from the Blues are lucky they haven't been shot.

I know, I know... I'm just a minority angry white male, and probably a racist ta boot.... 

[coachcw]

I know that We all have our own beliefs on this . yakindian I'm sure that you arn't the one . by saying it's only one sides fault is ignorant . as far as sheds go since when have the elk at the feed lots not lost thier horns , If you get in the woods you'll find them . I know it's a lot more popular now and for that there tougher to find . Are you intitled to the sheds too?the game dept told me that they were having a problem with a guy in the area that i found that bull, and that he was a yakima indian , they were up there on bikes trying to catch him in the act. I suppose that there could have been two poachers in that area but concidering where is was I doubt it . maybe the warden was the racist one? Lets try as a group to solve this problem before some one doe's get shot . ( not that poachers don't desereve it)

[Yak-NDN]

Mike D and Elkkiller

 Your last responses were very good and I didn't read anything out of line. coachcw, If the game dep could prove that the Indian had wasted the animal they would have sited him for it. Not just accusing him for it. And yes we can collect shed.

[coachcw]

that what it is the game wardens must be trying to pit us against each other , thats it , What ever!!!!!

[huntnphool]

Here is the post for those that can't pull it up.

Havn't Posted on pisc for quite while so hope I get this right.
This morning while out in my back yard I noticed by neighbor had not one but two Bull elk heads in his back yard.
Very fresh and still in velvet.
I havn't seen him yet to talk with him So I don't know the story behind them yet, But I was a liitle sad to see they were taken so early in the year before their antlers were even developed all the way.
He is a native american and he told me he can hunt year round. He loves to hunt and has many stories to tell
Seems to be a great neighbor and would probably help me with anything I need help with.
I know he got a nice bull last fall and now two more?
Anyway my concern is If the tribes (and I am not sure wich tribe he is from He grew up in the forks area.) Allow year round hunting does anyone know if they put a limit on the number of animals they can harvest?
My guess is they do, but still it seems to me if all of the hunters take that many animals in such short a time How long will they Last.
Its been a while since Iv'e been elk hunting so I guess I'll have to talk him into taking me for a trip.
Anyway here is a photo I took this morning If I can just remember how to upload it.
Ramprat

[whacker1]

The part that is most frustrating to me is that the Bull's didn't even get a chance to breed.  I wish the tribes at a minimum would start to acknowledge that if they take animals before they breed, the population is guaranteed to go down.  Each branched antlered bull is responsible for breeding multiple cows.   I would like to see the tribes begin to address this issue by revisiting there seasons and the number of animals they take for all purposes. 

This subject is aggravating, but there is litte we can do about it unless the tribes themselves are willing to address the issue