8 different special apps pools!

[huntnphool]

 Well there are those out there that believe in Obamanomics too, to those that are sitting by the front door waiting for their "stimulus" package and free healthcare, this probably looks like a good deal.

[Dansk]

Spot on right there. I have lots of points and NEVER had a thought of putting in for an anterless permit. Guess what, I am now!!!

So are your odds of drawing a cow tag, a bull tag, or both in the new system greater, equal to, or less than drawing just a bull tag in the old system?

[sako223]

I have drawn a few tags over the years but for the last couple I had planned to stop if I was drawn. Now I will have to look over the final draft before making a decision.
One can only imagine what goes on in the morning circle jerk at WDFW. I keep saying we need to make a showing, demand in person some transparency and representation. This is another one of those issues that if it flies we share some blame for not stepping up.

[Lowedog]

Lowdog, you think that the average guy, that has 5 or 6 points for example, is now just going to walk away from his points and not apply again? I can see the $10 deterring new people, or people starting back at 0, but I dont see someone with any amount of points just saying "keep my money and years I've waited, I'm done." Some will but most won't. I think a lot of guys will do the same as me, continue to put in until we get the permit we want and then never apply in that section again.

 Keep in mind that my rebuttal was in response to the "increased odds" post.

No way does adding more people to any one group of permits with a set number, increase odds, sorry.  

How would they be walking away from points?  I have 11 points for elk right now and I won't be applying for a cow tag.  I have no desire to shoot a cow.  I will keep applying for quality bull hunts.  Now am I walking away from points if I do that?  

I agree that some people will see it as an opportunity but I think a lot won't.

 It's kind of funny, I get the feeling that some people are talking out of both sides of their mouth.  On one side they are complaining that this is just a money grab by WDFW and out the other side are saying they will support it all the way buying every app they can.  

If you think it's an advantage to you because you can apply for antlerless tags and not lose trophy tag points if drawn then why bitch about it?  

[huntnphool]

Maybe if you slowed down and read the posts you wouldn't be so confused.

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

I have 12 elk points and i will put in for cow tags and big bull tags because i can... I don't like it but i will still put in for it...

My son is 10 he will start hunting next year and he has no chance unless we start hunting montana and that is starting to look like the better option.

[Lowedog]

Maybe if you slowed down and read the posts you wouldn't be so confused.

Oh enlightened one...I guess I do not possess the powers of observation that most have.  Please use your great knowledge to explain to me in simpler terms so that I may too be able to see the light as you do. 

I read as slow as I possibly could and I still don't see where anyone said people would walk away from their points and just not apply again.  I am soooo confused!!!

[billythekidrock]

Lowdog, you think that the average guy, that has 5 or 6 points for example, is now just going to walk away from his points and not apply again? I can see the $10 deterring new people, or people starting back at 0, but I dont see someone with any amount of points just saying "keep my money and years I've waited, I'm done." Some will but most won't. I think a lot of guys will do the same as me, continue to put in until we get the permit we want and then never apply in that section again.

 Keep in mind that my rebuttal was in response to the "increased odds" post.

No way does adding more people to any one group of permits with a set number, increase odds, sorry.

 

I think this analogy is spot on, especially in my case for deer.

I have 5 points and my wife has 6 for deer.  I don't put in for either sex nor any of the larger muley hunts because I don't know the units. Just late blacktail permits. Since her points were adding up she stopped applying for either sex and just the late bt permits.

Now just to keep up with the "jones's" and to hope at a crack at even an either sex permit in my old age I will need to buy into each group now. Even the "quality" permits that I did not apply for in the past. So now instead of applying for 4 bt buck units I will be applying for 8 buck units (if the catagories still have 4 choices). And I will probably apply my wife for hunts that we wouldn't have applied her for (or even hunt if drawn depending on circumstances) because she is in the middle of the points and won't lose out on a local bt or either sex points.

Now for elk I have 0 and my wife has 5. Neither one of us will really have a chance at getting drawn for any elk permit with all the extra competition.

The only way I see this working to get better odds is if someone were drawn for both a bull & cow or a buck and doe and they lose all points while choosing which permit they want. Other then that, I don't see how this will make the odds any better or "fix" the points situation.

[shanevg]

Good point BTKR, but you do raise an idea I hadn't considered.  We are all assuming that they are planning on giving us 4 options for each pool.  If in fact WDFW gives us only one option per pool, this may in fact raise the odds of drawing as the number of applicants for each tag will decrease even though the number of applicants total will increase.  Just a thought, but that might be at least a little bit positive.   

[WDFW-SUX]

If you read there public scoping thing the "public" highly supports 4 hunt choices...Dont get your hopes up.

[Lowedog]

BTKR, I think that allowing the points to be applied to each pool is the main flaw in this idea.  I think if they made us choose where our current points would go it would have a better chance of working to increase odds for certain hunts. 

Of course that wouldn't be as encouraging for people to buy multiple applications and they did say that they see this as a way to increase revenue. 

[bobcat]

I think that allowing the points to be applied to each pool is the main flaw in this idea.  I think if they made us choose where our current points would go it would have a better chance of working to increase odds for certain hunts.

 

[bobcat]

Thinking about this some more, how many people are going to apply for buck/bull permits and antlerless permits in the same year? It wouldn't make sense to apply for both, as you can still only kill one deer and one elk. I will probably apply for just points in the buck/bull categories and in the antlerless categories I will apply for actual permits. Reason being is that I only have 2 elk points and 1 deer point right now. Now in the quality category, I imagine I might go ahead and apply for something in that category and if drawn just count on not even using the other permit (if drawn.) So maybe odds won't be reduced as much as we think. Anyway, it is what it is. You will just have to learn to use the new system to your advantage as much as possible.

[WDFW-SUX]

Im going to apply for all of them because its not likely that I will draw 1 tag let alone 3 or 4 and If I do by some miracle I won't care about the antlerless stuff because Ill have a great late hunt or bull tag.

[d_wilson]

I have a friend who drew a cow tag last year but later decided he didn't want the tag so he sent the tag back to the F&W and they gave him his points back.  I suppose if you are fortunate to draw multiple tags you could send one back and get your points back.  Not really a good solution for the problem though.