Multi Season Permit

[Bob33]

You said it: "there is no way to just apply for the points".

Now, there is an interesting scenario that may play out this year.  The state is planning to draw more names than permits.  Those drawn will have a "first-come, first-served" opportunity to purchase the permits.

If you are drawn and do not or cannot purchase a permit, I assume that your points would be restored.  I do not know that for a fact, but that might be a way to "buy a point".

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

that is what I found out, even though I was told different by a person in licencing.....

[jackelope]

a friend of mine drew out last year but some financial issues prevented him from buying his...lost all his points.

[Bob33]

Jackelope, they may have to treat it differently this year.  Last year if you drew you were guaranteed an opportunity to purchase the permit.  This year you will not be guaranteed.  I don't know but I think there will have to be some different rules.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Even though I did not want to get drawn, I just wanted the point, now that I have entered, I am selling a couple guns and bows to have the money in the event I get drawn....
(a couple because I couldn't decide which ones I wanted to sell, so as soon as something goes, I am pulling the others...)

[MtnMuley]

Not to sound like a smart ass, but here's a simple solution:  Apply for the multi-season permit with the assumption that you'll be drawn.  If you are drawn, purchase the permit right away.  There should be no problem finding out if you were drawn as surely many on this site will post a "results posted!" topic.  If you're not drawn, you receive a point, thus starting "point accumulation".  If you're not sure you want the multi-season, don't apply.  Let the others who are more serious have a better chance.  As of now, this is not the kind of drawing where a person should bank on getting a preference point.   For me, this year I have 3 points in the elk multi-season.  I don't feel I will have the time to make use of this tag with other hunting opportunities this fall.  I've chose (as of now) to not apply and be happy going into next year with the same 3 points in hopes of maybe applying when I have more time, instead of applying this year and hoping to not get drawn just to build another point.  It's a risk, to gain another point or loose all 3, that I'm not willing to take.  This in turn gives somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use.

[bobcat]

I wish there was no option to apply for just a point with the deer and elk permits for the same reason you stated.

[funkster]

I wish there was no option to apply for just a point with the deer and elk permits for the same reason you stated.

Another reason to make it "pay up front" it would settle all.

[bobcat]

What do you mean? You do have to pay up front for deer and elk. My reason for saying that is it would improve odds if the only way to gain points was to actually apply for a hunt.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

How about this, I bought the application, I applied, if drawn, I will purchase tag, and shoot an elk.
If I am not drawn I will have the point I wanted anyways.
I am just as serious a hunter (if not more so) than any of you guys, I just lost my job due to no fault of my own and will not sit out the season just because it might cause me to go without a few things. I do not feel sorry for a bunch of cry-babies aren't lucky enough to be drawn.
Complaining about how unfair the system is because you don't feel treated fairly because you have a larger budget than I do, and feel that I should sit out "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use." is reprehensible, what gives you the idea that I couldn't use the opportunity ?
 You obviously are the type of people who are going to be upset no matter what the WDFW does, why dont you just move to these other states that seem to handle their wildlife management better ?
That would give the rest of us who really enjoy hunting in Washington a better chance to draw these tags.

[bobcat]

I hope you're not referring to me. I like hunting in this state, and I don't care if you applied for the multi-season permit or not. I don't even care if you draw it and end up killing an elk on your first day, therefore "wasting" the multi-season permit. Sorry you lost your job but seriously, don't take everything people say on here so personally.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I know it is just the few guys saying it, but I get tired of getting flack due to applying for multi season Elk, when I was trying to get the point, and called WDFW licencing and followed the instruction from the person I was on the phone with, and ended up applying because that person didn't have a clue.
And then hear about how I should be able to afford to pay all the fees for all my licences and tags and applications before I was a "serious" hunter 
I am a family man, with a mortgage and 3 kids, I am in the process of suing my previous employer for back wages still owed, have not received a W-2 to file my taxes despite several phone calls to the IRS, and application deadline + hunting season coming up, and somebody that isn't having the same problems is trying to say that I don't have the right to apply because money is a little tight for me...
Too bad they don't have tags for a-holes, because I am getting pretty frustrated....

[funkster]

What do you mean? You do have to pay up front for deer and elk. My reason for saying that is it would improve odds if the only way to gain points was to actually apply for a hunt.

No, you don't have to pay up front. You have to pay $6.50 which isn't a big waste to anybody. However, if the wdfw would make you pay the full $180 the actual price of the tag, your chances of drawing would be better and it would stop all the redraws and confusion.

[bobcat]

I know it is just the few guys saying it, but I get tired of getting flack due to applying for multi season Elk,

Get this, the first year they had the multi-season permit I applied for both deer and elk, not knowing if I even wanted either. But I only had a couple weeks to decide, and it was a new thing, so I wasn't sure, and figured what the heck, I won't draw it anyway and I may as well start building up points. Of course I end up drawing the elk permit, when the time came, decided I didn't want to spend the money, so I didn't purchase it. Then, much later, I ended up getting a letter in the mail saying I had also drawn the deer. This was already after the deadline for special permit applications had come and gone, and I definitely didn't want the multi deer permit either, so I declined on that one as well. Ended up with no points, and I haven't applied for it since. And yes, I remember arguing with several people on the internet at that time because they were mad that I would apply and then not buy it when I was drawn.  

[bobcat]

No, you don't have to pay up front. You have to pay $6.50 which isn't a big waste to anybody. However, if the wdfw would make you pay the full $180 the actual price of the tag, your chances of drawing would be better and it would stop all the redraws and confusion.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I was talking about regular deer and elk special hunt permits, not the multi-season, and thought you were talking about the same thing. I just think if there was not a "ghost hunt" option it would be more fair.