Another Permit Question

[Bob33]

Question:
lets say I have 6 points.  I put in for a Quality deer hunt and a Buck deer hunt.  I draw both. My understanding of the explanation on page 80 of the regulations is, you may participate in both hunts, NOT choose one hunt over the other hunt.  In this case I would now loose points in both pools but possibly only participate in one hunt.  This seems like a flaw in the system.  You should be able to choose one hunt or the other.  Now for fear of loosing points in both catagories do you apply only for Quality deer hunts and save your points for Buck deer hunts?  In which case the NEW system REALLY sucks because now you only get 2 choices.   Hmmmmmm..... How could this issue be fixed?

A few points: (a) you can participate in both hunts but you can only harvest in one; (b) you can apply for quality hunts and accumulate points in other categories by applying for a ghost hunt, or you can roll the dice by applying in more than one, and hope to get selected in only one category.  If you do get selected in more than one category and want to turn one permit back in, you can roll the dice that WDFW will accept your explanation that you "made a mistake", and restore your points.

[Magnum_Willys]

The way it was explained to me: Drawing multiple permits allows you to hunt all the permits you draw.  Pretty simple.   Now if you choose to harvest an animal at any time of course you are done hunting for the year but that is your choice.  You are putting in for HUNTING permits, not HARVEST permits.   

[Bob33]

Your understanding is correct.  HOWEVER, if you are applying in multiple categories with the intent of drawing only one permit (a quality permit, or an antlerless permit, but not both) then you have a problem.

[hornhunter]

Your understanding is correct.  HOWEVER, if you are applying in multiple categories with the intent of drawing only one permit (a quality permit, or an antlerless permit, but not both) then you have a problem.

BINGO!

[Karl Blanchard]

Its all about the money my friends!  Just look at the second deer tag catagory.   They turned basically every doe hunt in the state into a second doe tag.  Why?  $26 bucks a tag is why.  Give it a few years and they are gonna make you buy that permit card when you are successful.

[Raul Duke]

In the past when I would put in for a "draw" i remeber having the option of  beening able to put down 1st, 2nd, 3rd options to hunt.
Have they gone away from that system? When I put in for bear it was only a Raffle.
Do they now tell you where your going to hunt?

Just asking since Im not sure if I want to buy 'Raffel tickets"

[Woodchuck]

not meaning to thread jack but figured i would add this here rather than start another one. just got off the phone with olympia asking a couple questions. one of the things i asked for clarification on was about the "second deer" it says that you can use your general tag during the special season, my thought was SWEET if i pull it i picked up a freebie late buck tag. weeeeeeelllllllll for any of you that saw that to, it is a" TYPO" and IS NOT the case, they are preparing a news release to e-mail out and we all know how well that works, you can only double up if the second deer season overlaps the general

[bobcat]

not meaning to thread jack but figured i would add this here rather than start another one. just got off the phone with olympia asking a couple questions. one of the things i asked for clarification on was about the "second deer" it says that you can use your general tag during the special season, my thought was SWEET if i pull it i picked up a freebie late buck tag. weeeeeeelllllllll for any of you that saw that to, it is a" TYPO" and IS NOT the case, they are preparing a news release to e-mail out and we all know how well that works, you can only double up if the second deer season overlaps the general

I'm not seeing the "typo."  

This is what it says in the regulations:

Category/Special Hunt Application Required: Second Deer

Who May Apply: Anyone may apply.

Hunt Choices Allowed: Up to 4 hunt choices may be selected for this category. Use the 4-digit "Hunt Choice" number below to submit your application. Notes: You must purchase a second deer tag to participate in this hunt and the second tag can only be used in the permit hunt. The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag. Your first and second deer tags can each be used to take a deer during this hunt. The first deer tag can be used during the special hunt or the general deer season. You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag.

What is it in that quote that is wrong?

[Fish4Fun]

I too called about the 2nd deer tag, and YES, that is exactly what it is a 2nd tag if you are drawn. Say you have the 2nd deer tag and see both a legal buck and a fat old doe. You would be legal to whack-em both and be done with the hunt. The 2nd deer tag is only valid in the GMU and the dates listed for that hunt.

[Bob33]

You could whack them both as long as your primary tag and your 2nd tag were both valid at that time, and in that location.  Several of the 2nd tags are for different time periods than the primary tag.

[Woodchuck]

bob is correct, you guys are reading it right, just the way i did but what bob is saying is EXACTLY what i was told, they are issuing a press release and will email, if the seasons are different you CAN NOT USE YOUR GENERAL TAG IN THE SECOND SEASON

[Curly]

That is b.s. in my opinion.  If a guy doesn't fill his first tag and elects to hunt the second deer permit he has to buy the second tag?  That sucks.  Money hungry *censored*s.

[Woodchuck]

BINGO 

[Bob33]

"Notes: You must purchase a second deer tag to participate in this hunt and the second tag can only be used in the permit hunt."

[bobcat]

OK, I think I'm beginning to understand the problem with the wording in the regulation pamphlet.

Is it this sentence that is the problem? 

The first deer tag can be used during the special hunt or the general deer season.