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Quote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 09:20:17 PMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 08:52:48 PMQuote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 07:33:38 AMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 07:25:38 AMYes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.A 30-06 will do no more damage to meat than a 270. They are virtually the same as far as that aspect goes. It's the type of bullet used that really makes a difference.Both guns where shooting Cor-Loks, The 30-06 was maybe 20 yrds close. We had to take the whole left shoulder off, it was totally blood shot and bruised. The 270 broke the shoulder, but very little meat was lost. The 30-06 is a great gun and yes it is similar to the 270. but most guys shoot 150 grain bullits, very few try to find or want to pay for smaller rounds. I'm not picking on 30-06, my point is if a 30-06 would do that, then 338 would too. If you don't care all that much for the meat, then fine. I like the meat, so for deer sized animals I would opt for my 270 over my 300. For bigger animals I would opt for the 300. Just my opinion.Again, it's not the caliber that causes excessive meat damage, it's the speed of the bullet and the type of bullet. A heavier bullet will be easier on the meat, in general. Main reason for that being that a heavier bullet will be moving at a lower speed than a lighter bullet. Yes Bullet design has a lot to do with it. But you been smoking some thing, Heavier, larger bullets do more damage than lighter smaller. Speed has some effect, and what that is again depends on bullet design.
Quote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 08:52:48 PMQuote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 07:33:38 AMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 07:25:38 AMYes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.A 30-06 will do no more damage to meat than a 270. They are virtually the same as far as that aspect goes. It's the type of bullet used that really makes a difference.Both guns where shooting Cor-Loks, The 30-06 was maybe 20 yrds close. We had to take the whole left shoulder off, it was totally blood shot and bruised. The 270 broke the shoulder, but very little meat was lost. The 30-06 is a great gun and yes it is similar to the 270. but most guys shoot 150 grain bullits, very few try to find or want to pay for smaller rounds. I'm not picking on 30-06, my point is if a 30-06 would do that, then 338 would too. If you don't care all that much for the meat, then fine. I like the meat, so for deer sized animals I would opt for my 270 over my 300. For bigger animals I would opt for the 300. Just my opinion.Again, it's not the caliber that causes excessive meat damage, it's the speed of the bullet and the type of bullet. A heavier bullet will be easier on the meat, in general. Main reason for that being that a heavier bullet will be moving at a lower speed than a lighter bullet.
Quote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 07:33:38 AMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 07:25:38 AMYes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.A 30-06 will do no more damage to meat than a 270. They are virtually the same as far as that aspect goes. It's the type of bullet used that really makes a difference.Both guns where shooting Cor-Loks, The 30-06 was maybe 20 yrds close. We had to take the whole left shoulder off, it was totally blood shot and bruised. The 270 broke the shoulder, but very little meat was lost. The 30-06 is a great gun and yes it is similar to the 270. but most guys shoot 150 grain bullits, very few try to find or want to pay for smaller rounds. I'm not picking on 30-06, my point is if a 30-06 would do that, then 338 would too. If you don't care all that much for the meat, then fine. I like the meat, so for deer sized animals I would opt for my 270 over my 300. For bigger animals I would opt for the 300. Just my opinion.
Quote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 07:25:38 AMYes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.A 30-06 will do no more damage to meat than a 270. They are virtually the same as far as that aspect goes. It's the type of bullet used that really makes a difference.
Yes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.
I guess the next test would be to shoot big game through shoulders and non-idea spots to see which works best? I'd imagine that a bigger (heavier/denser) bullet would have a penetration advantage, but how much and would it be enough to justify a big cal such as the 338?
Quote from: 1bugman on September 21, 2010, 07:17:55 AMQuote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 09:20:17 PMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 08:52:48 PMQuote from: bobcat on September 20, 2010, 07:33:38 AMQuote from: 1bugman on September 20, 2010, 07:25:38 AMYes, There is such a thing as over kill. I've seen some deer shot ,once in the shoulder, with 30-06's that where only good for burger, and noting else. The only time I've had that happen with my .270, I shot the poor thing 5 times thinking I was missing. and not wanting it to go dawn that steep hill.A 30-06 will do no more damage to meat than a 270. They are virtually the same as far as that aspect goes. It's the type of bullet used that really makes a difference.Both guns where shooting Cor-Loks, The 30-06 was maybe 20 yrds close. We had to take the whole left shoulder off, it was totally blood shot and bruised. The 270 broke the shoulder, but very little meat was lost. The 30-06 is a great gun and yes it is similar to the 270. but most guys shoot 150 grain bullits, very few try to find or want to pay for smaller rounds. I'm not picking on 30-06, my point is if a 30-06 would do that, then 338 would too. If you don't care all that much for the meat, then fine. I like the meat, so for deer sized animals I would opt for my 270 over my 300. For bigger animals I would opt for the 300. Just my opinion.Again, it's not the caliber that causes excessive meat damage, it's the speed of the bullet and the type of bullet. A heavier bullet will be easier on the meat, in general. Main reason for that being that a heavier bullet will be moving at a lower speed than a lighter bullet. Yes Bullet design has a lot to do with it. But you been smoking some thing, Heavier, larger bullets do more damage than lighter smaller. Speed has some effect, and what that is again depends on bullet design. No, I think you've been eating some special mushrooms. If the weight of a bullet is such a determining factor in how much meat is ruined, why is it that I can shoot a deer with my 54 caliber muzzleloader and a 435 grain bullet, directly in the shoulder, and have virtually no meat loss, while the same shot with a 130 grain bullet out of a 270 Winchester will ruin BOTH shoulders?
Quote from: 300UltraMagShooter on September 21, 2010, 08:57:58 AMI guess the next test would be to shoot big game through shoulders and non-idea spots to see which works best? I'd imagine that a bigger (heavier/denser) bullet would have a penetration advantage, but how much and would it be enough to justify a big cal such as the 338?It's funny to hear a guy with a 300 Ultra call a 338 a big cailber. You should be able to push a 220gr Partition to an easy 2800fps from you 300. You might be able to move a 225 Partition that fast out of a 338 Win Mag, but a 220gr 30cal will have a higher SD and theoretically have better penetration.I'll help you out. Sell me your 300 Ultra, then you can just buy a 270 and a 338. Problem solved! Andrew
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