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Quote from: idahohuntr on May 17, 2015, 09:16:23 PMIt's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality. You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other. The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it. Yep. Deploy the tin foil helmets!! Not all meetings are open to the public. Closed chambers happen for county commissioners and different elected officials all the time. Perhaps, (prepare yourself for a crazy idea) the group doesn't want to get derailed by mindless blather from the wildly anti or pro wolf crowd.....
It's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality. You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other. The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it.
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on May 18, 2015, 07:26:51 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on May 17, 2015, 09:16:23 PMIt's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality. You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other. The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it. Yep. Deploy the tin foil helmets!! Not all meetings are open to the public. Closed chambers happen for county commissioners and different elected officials all the time. Perhaps, (prepare yourself for a crazy idea) the group doesn't want to get derailed by mindless blather from the wildly anti or pro wolf crowd.....Nope.I know a guy who thinks there just might be a violation of the open meetings law here. If you want to have an executive session, then declare an executive session. What goes on in these committee meetings could ultimately affect all of us, and people have a right to know that trumps some desire to "get acquainted."This isn't tinfoil hat stuff. No pun intended, but everyone on this forum has a "dog" in the fight, for many different reasons. I remember 30 years ago when a series of "secret meetings" was held over fish and wildlife issues with the tribes. Nobody knew about any of it until the ink was dry.Not a good way to go.
Quote from: AspenBud on May 18, 2015, 12:06:39 PMBreaking bread with your enemy only works if they are willing to compromise. HSUS does not compromise.I have to fully agree with you on this point
Breaking bread with your enemy only works if they are willing to compromise. HSUS does not compromise.
Quote from: Dave Workman on May 18, 2015, 03:13:33 PMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on May 18, 2015, 07:26:51 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on May 17, 2015, 09:16:23 PMIt's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality. You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other. The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it. Yep. Deploy the tin foil helmets!! Not all meetings are open to the public. Closed chambers happen for county commissioners and different elected officials all the time. Perhaps, (prepare yourself for a crazy idea) the group doesn't want to get derailed by mindless blather from the wildly anti or pro wolf crowd.....Nope.I know a guy who thinks there just might be a violation of the open meetings law here. If you want to have an executive session, then declare an executive session. What goes on in these committee meetings could ultimately affect all of us, and people have a right to know that trumps some desire to "get acquainted."This isn't tinfoil hat stuff. No pun intended, but everyone on this forum has a "dog" in the fight, for many different reasons. I remember 30 years ago when a series of "secret meetings" was held over fish and wildlife issues with the tribes. Nobody knew about any of it until the ink was dry.Not a good way to go.I don't really care about the bureaucratic bs on whether you call the meeting an "executive session"...the bottom line is this group, which has absolutely no power or authority, might just work better together if they have an opportunity to get to know each other on a personal level. Ultimately, wolf management decisions will be made at open Commission meetings which any individual can attend - regardless of affiliation. The notion that nothing can be gained by meeting with folks of opposing view points is naive and childish. The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda.
I've never suggested there needs to be any compromise. Only that there is no downside to including these groups and letting them hear from reasoned, intelligent, and diplomatic hunters and biologists. Not allowing them at the meetings gives them ammo to whine to a sympathetic governor that they were ignored and that gives them even more political leverage on wolf issues in WA than if they are included as one of many voices in a large group with diverse opinions. Most of you wanting to exclude them or demanding this introductory meeting be completely open to the public...you are playing checkers when you need to open your eyes to the game of chess which is being played.
The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Quote from: idahohuntr on May 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PMI've never suggested there needs to be any compromise. Only that there is no downside to including these groups and letting them hear from reasoned, intelligent, and diplomatic hunters and biologists. Not allowing them at the meetings gives them ammo to whine to a sympathetic governor that they were ignored and that gives them even more political leverage on wolf issues in WA than if they are included as one of many voices in a large group with diverse opinions. Most of you wanting to exclude them or demanding this introductory meeting be completely open to the public...you are playing checkers when you need to open your eyes to the game of chess which is being played.Whoa, time out!Who suggested that these people should be excluded? I didn't, and to suggest otherwise is pure B.S. They will listen to the reasoned, intelligent, and diplomatic hunters and biologists. They will then shake hands, go back to their peeps and call all of those intelligent, reasoned people a bunch of backwards animal killers and idiots. You want to sit down with them, fine. Just don't expect any meeting of the minds. Diplomacy goes only so far. Right about where you feel a knife in your back.Call me names if you want, but years of experience has come with one lesson above all. You cannot trust anybody whose ultimate goal is to erase your way of life. That goes for hunting, exercising the Second Amendment, burning wood in a stove for heat, pick a subject. This isn't a game of checkers or chess. This is serious business with potential consequences. Comparing it to a board game is what gets people in all kinds of trouble.
Quote from: idahohuntr on May 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PM The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda. To the hunting community they are.
Quote from: grundy53 on May 19, 2015, 05:13:36 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on May 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PM The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda. To the hunting community they are.No, they are not. Having an opposing environmental management philosophy is not akin to terrorism and murder of innocent people. Get real.