Idaho on the verge of outlawing

[300rum]

This sums things up pretty well.  The whole west is really bad, the "kids now days" under 40 or so don't even know what it used to be.  Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get it back. 

I am 70 years old and have  been hunting for 60 years in this state. It is a sad state of affairs concerning big game populations from then to now. With the huge population growth and political climate this state is doomed for sportsman in the future. Who can blame Idaho for trying to slow down and protect what they have. For me it boils down to what hunting is supposed to be, two words. Fair chase is not knowing where a harvestable animal is while sitting in your living room. Then changing your hunting plans because of the pics you just received. Unfortunately, that is the reality that is now happening and is why this technology is facing more and more scrutiny. I am sure IDFG wishes not to be the next Cali-Wa

[pickardjw]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

They found a way to require ID for “certain websites” in the state. Are you saying there is no way to enforce transmission times?

Yes

Doubt it.

If it pings off an Idaho based cell tower there’s a minimum delay. 24 hours, 12 hours, whatever time constraint determined to be allowable.

[2MANY]

Today's outdoorsmen #1 tool is a phone.
Laughable if you ask me.

[CarbonHunter]

Every state has a quota each year for how many animals can be harvested. If the number of hunters grows and technology makes it easier to kill animals the seasons will get shorter and shorter until it’s by special draw only.

I understand the effort that many people put into be successful, which includes dropping cameras across the countryside to find and pattern game. But let’s be honest, how many people can do this with cell cameras given how much time it saves people from scouting the old fashioned way until the season is special draw only?

Yes some of you are using cell cameras and it’s not helping you kill more animals but others are using them and it’s helping them to kill considerably more animals through the years.

[ganghis]

Every state has a quota each year for how many animals can be harvested. If the number of hunters grows and technology makes it easier to kill animals the seasons will get shorter and shorter until it’s by special draw only.

I understand the effort that many people put into be successful, which includes dropping cameras across the countryside to find and pattern game. But let’s be honest, how many people can do this with cell cameras given how much time it saves people from scouting the old fashioned way until the season is special draw only?

Yes some of you are using cell cameras and it’s not helping you kill more animals but others are using them and it’s helping them to kill considerably more animals through the years.

I'm with you on this one.  Maybe it's not the same as a strict quota system but there's no doubt that there's targets, and whether that's # killed or survival rate or whatever, it's hard to argue that technology doesn't increase hunter effectiveness / kill rate.  Eventually somethings got to give - you either live with lower bull/buck quality or you have to implement tools to decrease hunter kill rate (like shortening seasons or putting in technology restrictions).  Or I guess decrease natural/predator mortality but Idaho already does that.  Doesn't effect me too much right now because a lot of places I hunt don't have good cell signal but I keep finding it in places that it didn't used to exist in.  Pretty soon you'll be able to get a good cell signal right in the middle of the Frank Church.  I've got no problem with this regulation change. 

[mikey549]

What have we already lost that the state said we never would. Like to hunt with your friends and relatives while keeping prices affordable. Sorry but over. I consider myself very fortunate to have been able to draw several quality elk tags and a moose back when it was feasible. The quality tags now are nothing but a date change  and a reduction in tags. I can tell stories for years based on Alan Jackson’s song Remember When. So sorry but true!

[Seabass]

How did we go from cell cams didn’t exist until recent, to banning them is the yielding of some inalienable right?

[mikey549]

People are fing lazy !

[EnglishSetter]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

They found a way to require ID for “certain websites” in the state. Are you saying there is no way to enforce transmission times?

Yes

Doubt it.

If it pings off an Idaho based cell tower there’s a minimum delay. 24 hours, 12 hours, whatever time constraint determined to be allowable.

How does the carrier know it’s a cam?

[CarbonHunter]

How did we go from cell cams didn’t exist until recent, to banning them is the yielding of some inalienable right?

 

[Doublelunger]

If you believe that cell cams and thermals don't give hunters an unfair advantage then its safe to say your mother took acetaminophen to help with her hangovers while she was pregnant with you.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

If you believe that cell cams and thermals don't give hunters an unfair advantage then its safe to say your mother took acetaminophen to help with her hangovers while she was pregnant with you.

[hughjorgan]

So does Idaho have data that supports an increase take of critters due to cell cameras or is everyone just hypothetically crying the sky is falling and we must do something? This whole issue seems to be trying to solve a problem that doesn’t seem to exist but there is a vocal minority that wants to be the ethics police for everyone.

[fishngamereaper]

So does Idaho have data that supports an increase take of critters due to cell cameras or is everyone just hypothetically crying the sky is falling and we must do something? This whole issue seems to be trying to solve a problem that doesn’t seem to exist but there is a vocal minority that wants to be the ethics police for everyone.

There's some data out there I'd have to dig up again
Quite a few articles on the issue as well.
This isn't a new issue..it's just something that needs to be addressed before it gets out of control.
Is their a negative opinion of states that already have restrictions like Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Montana and Kansas just to name a few ...

[pickardjw]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

They found a way to require ID for “certain websites” in the state. Are you saying there is no way to enforce transmission times?

Yes

Doubt it.

If it pings off an Idaho based cell tower there’s a minimum delay. 24 hours, 12 hours, whatever time constraint determined to be allowable.

How does the carrier know it’s a cam?

The carrier doesn’t regulate, the manufacturer does.

If you want to sell your cameras in Idaho, transmission time must be whatever the minimum time is determined for cameras transmitting from Idaho. Otherwise your cameras are banned entirely.

Far higher chance of meeting the intent of the law that way and “compliance”  rate would be way higher than relying on a game warden finding cameras while out and about. How many are they gonna find? 1%? 10%? How are they identifying the owner and charging them if on public land? Will manufacturers comply willingly or will a warrant for the customers information be needed for each case? Are they going to spend thousands in labor to enforce a $500 fine?