Wolves do affect business

[KFhunter]

I have a few friends that live and hunt in idaho,they told me that is pretty bad what wolves has done to there herds.One of my friend told me he will shootem on sight,he sounded really mad about it.(he hunts elk every year).

Tell your Idaho friends that live and hunt Idaho to join Hunting Washington forums and ask in the wolf section where all the good hunting in Idaho is.

Same for Montana if you have friends who live and hunt in Montana, the guys in the wolf section will be able to help them out.

[bearpaw]

I have a few friends that live and hunt in idaho,they told me that is pretty bad what wolves has done to there herds.One of my friend told me he will shootem on sight,he sounded really mad about it.(he hunts elk every year).

Tell your Idaho friends that live and hunt Idaho to join Hunting Washington forums and ask in the wolf section where all the good hunting in Idaho is.

Same for Montana if you have friends who live and hunt in Montana, the guys in the wolf section will be able to help them out.

    

[idahohuntr]

I have a few friends that live and hunt in idaho,they told me that is pretty bad what wolves has done to there herds.One of my friend told me he will shootem on sight,he sounded really mad about it.(he hunts elk every year).

Tell your Idaho friends that live and hunt Idaho to join Hunting Washington forums and ask in the wolf section where all the good hunting in Idaho is.

Same for Montana if you have friends who live and hunt in Montana, the guys in the wolf section will be able to help them out.

"Idaho offers some of the best elk hunting in the country and Bearpaw Outfitters have several excellent elk hunting options in Southeast Idaho" -Direct quote from Bearpaws website.                     

[bearpaw]

I have a few friends that live and hunt in idaho,they told me that is pretty bad what wolves has done to there herds.One of my friend told me he will shootem on sight,he sounded really mad about it.(he hunts elk every year).

Tell your Idaho friends that live and hunt Idaho to join Hunting Washington forums and ask in the wolf section where all the good hunting in Idaho is.

Same for Montana if you have friends who live and hunt in Montana, the guys in the wolf section will be able to help them out.

"Idaho offers some of the best elk hunting in the country and Bearpaw Outfitters have several excellent elk hunting options in Southeast Idaho" -Direct quote from Bearpaws website.                     

Side stepping the question eh? Not surprised!   

Thankfully we don't have many wolves in southern Idaho, I do appreciate the extra attention you are giving my business. THANKS 

[JLS]

I have a few friends that live and hunt in idaho,they told me that is pretty bad what wolves has done to there herds.One of my friend told me he will shootem on sight,he sounded really mad about it.(he hunts elk every year).

Tell your Idaho friends that live and hunt Idaho to join Hunting Washington forums and ask in the wolf section where all the good hunting in Idaho is.

Same for Montana if you have friends who live and hunt in Montana, the guys in the wolf section will be able to help them out.

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

[idahohuntr]

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw...but ol' Bearpaw says he's got good hunting down in SE Idaho and its not questioned.      The irony is just hilarious.

[AspenBud]

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw...but ol' Bearpaw says he's got good hunting down in SE Idaho and its not questioned.      The irony is just hilarious.

I talked to a guy a few months ago who told me he hauled the biggest bull he's ever seen, no guide needed, out of Montana this year. He had better luck than most of the guys I knew hunting Roosevelts on the west side.

[Special T]

I bet if you compared the general oppinion of sportmen on how WY handled the wolf issue compared to how things have worked out in other states, you would find that WY sportmen have faired better than thier neighbors. I don't know why MT didn't hold fast and surrender a small portion of the state next to YNP like WY did. I am also at a loss as to why the IDFG thought it was a good idea to bring them into ID and release them.

[bearpaw]

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw...but ol' Bearpaw says he's got good hunting down in SE Idaho and its not questioned.      The irony is just hilarious.

Nice try buddy to hide the localized effects of wolves. 

Documented IDFG Facts:
Idaho has numerous units which have not been affected by wolves yet (apparently this is where Idahohntr hunts, when those unit statistics are combined with the wolf impacted units it hide's the localized impact of wolves). IDFG surveys show that in several units the elk population has been impacted so severely that the elk population is only at 20% to 60% of the pre-wolf elk population. IDFG has determined and stated that wolves are the primary limiting factor to herd recovery. It's all on the IDFG website and has been posted on this forum numerous times.

I should ignore such irrational comments, but for anyone to continue contradicting wolf impacts is simply, well, .......?

Now I'm just guessing, but this could be a reason for a person to be viewed as a wolf lover"? 


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It's unfortunate that many outfitters, guides, restaurants, motels, quick stops, grocery stores, hardware stores, and other local business owners in places like Elk City, Elk River, Salmon, Lohman, Yellowpine, and dozens of other small Idaho towns are paying the price of wolf introduction.

For anyone who wants to help: Please join the "Foundation for Wildlife Management". Your $35 membership will help remove another wolf from the Idaho wilds.
http://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/page2.html

[huntnphool]

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw

Fantastic big bull hunting where I hunt in Montana, and Idaho.

[bearpaw]

I bet if you compared the general oppinion of sportmen on how WY handled the wolf issue compared to how things have worked out in other states, you would find that WY sportmen have faired better than thier neighbors. I don't know why MT didn't hold fast and surrender a small portion of the state next to YNP like WY did. I am also at a loss as to why the IDFG thought it was a good idea to bring them into ID and release them.

Easy answer to some of this:

Bob Ream who has been the head of the Montana F&G Commission was part of the original wolf introduction effort. Need I say more! I'm pretty sure Ream is gone now and as you can see wolf management is moving forward a little better in Montana.

In Idaho the former director signed a permit for USFWS to illegally plant wolves which went against the Idaho legislature. Idaho finally ridded themselves of that director and other "wolfers" within their management ranks and is now moving forward with meaningful wolf research and management.

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw

Fantastic big bull hunting where I hunt in Montana, and Idaho.

Of course there is still some excellent hunting, not all units have been affected by wolves and some units the effects are not as bad as in others. Also, even though the Lolo has been reduced from 16,000 elk to less than 2,000 elk, there are still a few 6 point bulls being killed there out of the 1,800 elk that still exist. But the fact remains that herd used to number 16,000+ and wolves have been identified as the primary limiting factor to herd recovery.   

[idahohuntr]

Actually funny guy, I have helped a lot of people out on hunting in Montana, including when I lived there. 

Would you feel better if I told them all the elk were dead?

If you or I and a few others suggest there is still good elk hunting to be had anywhere in Idaho or Montana we are immediately labeled wolf lovers and accused of distorting the "huge impact" wolves have had on elk populations, usually by bearpaw...but ol' Bearpaw says he's got good hunting down in SE Idaho and its not questioned.      The irony is just hilarious.

Nice try buddy to hide the localized effects of wolves. 

Documented IDFG Facts:
Idaho has numerous units which have not been affected by wolves yet (apparently this is where Idahohntr hunts, when those unit statistics are combined with the wolf impacted units it hide's the localized impact of wolves). IDFG surveys show that in several units the elk population has been impacted so severely that the elk population is only at 20% to 60% of the pre-wolf elk population. IDFG has determined and stated that wolves are the primary limiting factor to herd recovery. It's all on the IDFG website and has been posted on this forum numerous times.

I should ignore such irrational comments, but for anyone to continue contradicting wolf impacts is simply, well, .......?

Now I'm just guessing, but this could be a reason for a person to be viewed as a wolf lover"? 

You are killing me here...my comments are irrational...I'm a wolf lover...but were saying THE SAME DARN THING:    Wolves impact some units, but there is still good elk hunting in Idaho (and Montana). We obviously disagree about some confounding factors and perhaps just exactly how much of the state is still good elk hunting...but we largely agree there is still good elk hunting to be had in Idaho. I guess you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. 

[idaho guy]

[/quote]Fantastic big bull hunting where I hunt in Montana, and Idaho.
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 :bash:Good for you you have a good hunting area not impacted by wolves yet. I hunt in idaho and montana too. The spots I  hunt are good for both deer and elk. otherwise I would not hunt there. Who cares, the point is that wolves have severely impacted a lot of elk numbers and hunting in Idaho and Montana. I have seen absolute honey holes for elk ruined by too many wolves. Look at a map of idaho-wolves planted in selway-elk numbers plummet-wolves move north to lolo/clearwater-elk herd plummets .wolves move north to st joe-elk herd decreasing and season shortened,no cow season, no muzzy season. Now they are in the coeur d alenes-same thing. I am glad you all have good idaho elk spots but it is just a matter of time and you will feel the wolf pain too.

[AspenBud]

You're welcome, go shoot some of the pests.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Ranchers-asking-the-state-to-do-more-about-elk-241926041.html

[Special T]

Its not a big mental jump to see that elk are moving away from predator pressure. They come out of the hills and stay around houses... I know this is the case because i see more deer during modern rifle in W WA around people's homes than nearly any other time. I bet if they do shoot them up it won't help the over all numbers...  We all know from hunting that certain weather conditions congregate animals in areas where the rest of the time they aren't there, or are very few. Why whould we not see that with predators?