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Quote from: bobcat on March 21, 2013, 07:31:25 AMQuote from: Curly on March 21, 2013, 07:24:37 AMQuote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).How did they screw up and what is it they are seeing now that will make them realize they screwed up? Is it because a dog got attacked? Or because some cattle were eaten by wolves? Or that wolves are killing deer and elk? Sure these things are happening- it's what wolves do, and I don't think the WDFW ever said, or thought, that these things wouldn't happen. Yes they did say it Bob, I was sitting there in the meetings when they did..........taking notes!!!How about the fact that their numbers have doubled years before their "science" estimates, or the fact that they sat there and said they do not anticipate a ungulate predation problem, yet they are now calling for a meeting because there is!!!!!! Just to name a couple.I understand you like to play devils advocate Bob but you need to get your facts strait before you spout off in defense of the wolf issue.
Quote from: Curly on March 21, 2013, 07:24:37 AMQuote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).How did they screw up and what is it they are seeing now that will make them realize they screwed up? Is it because a dog got attacked? Or because some cattle were eaten by wolves? Or that wolves are killing deer and elk? Sure these things are happening- it's what wolves do, and I don't think the WDFW ever said, or thought, that these things wouldn't happen.
Quote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).
Wait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....
To get even more off topic, why is it that wolves are considered to be endangered, yet bison are not? I feel bison should be listed as well, and a plan put in place to restore them to their historical numbers. At least they are good to eat, AND they will provide another source of food for the wolves!
Bearpaw-(Now what we need to do is push the WDFW to get these wolves confirmed and to closely monitor our game herds.) Watching the deer herds drop every year in the Methow to what it is today surely should have told WDFW that we have a major wolf problem even if they didn't already know. Remember in 2008 when WDFW were forced to "discover" the first wolf pack in severty years? What WDFW failed to tell people is that the Methow had more then one pack in 2008. They confirmed one pack out of three, since then the Methow has been raising more wolves then deer, now we have many packs.In 2011 a freind and I were interveiwed by the BBC crew, we had been hunting wolves and deer kills for the last two months with cameras. To make a long story short we gave them pictures of four different wolves from the Lookout pack, we told them about the Cow Cr. wolf pack and several others in the Methow and on the Okanogan side. I ask Jasmine Minbashian why Scott Fitkin hadn't confirmed the War cr pack as we knew he knew of them? She said she was aware that Scott knew of the War cr pack, but that it took alot of money to monitor wolves and WDFW didn't have any money. So I then ask her if they didn't have any money, how did they manage a cougar callaring program every year? She looked at the ground and didn't want to talk about what Fitkin knew anymore. WDFW still ran with the lie of one maybe two wolves left in the Lookout pack.
(And I am by no mean supporting wolves. I want them all dead. Just saying; give the damn WDFW a chance to be the experts they claim to be. If it fails, then bash the hell out of them and say "I told you so!")WDFW are the reason we are in the fix that we are today SW, severnteen years already proves this.
One of the problems is that the WDFW can make the numbers look however they want them. An example is the deer populations thru out the state. Back in the 80's and 90's the state said the deer population was just the right in areas like the Entiat, Methow, Chiwawa. Now if you listen to the biologists the deer populations are once again just right even though they are not even close to what they used to be. The same thing has happened with the Saint Helens and the Clockum elk herds so if they want to say that the wolves are having no effect on the deer or elk populations they will adjust the numbers accordingly.
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2013, 07:57:10 PMOne of the problems is that the WDFW can make the numbers look however they want them. An example is the deer populations thru out the state. Back in the 80's and 90's the state said the deer population was just the right in areas like the Entiat, Methow, Chiwawa. Now if you listen to the biologists the deer populations are once again just right even though they are not even close to what they used to be. The same thing has happened with the Saint Helens and the Clockum elk herds so if they want to say that the wolves are having no effect on the deer or elk populations they will adjust the numbers accordingly.I agree with you. Years ago we had way more deer in Marengo. The game department claims there are more deer there than ever. I highly doubt their numbers. We use to see field after field full of deer. Now it is nothing put small groups and ones and twos here and there. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought they WDFW told us there were too many elk in the St. Helens GMUs, so they increased the special permits to thin the herds. I beleive their goal was to reduce the herds to satisfy Weyco? Sombody chim in please. Hunt Phool....you are the EXPERT on here. Now lone us your EXPERTISE...Your being called upon-LOL
