Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[trophyhunt]

It was just a question. 

oh, my bad!

[turkeyfeather]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

View it as you see fit.  I will continue to work for effective management of a shared resource.

To imply it's a shared resource implies it's available equally.

As in a 50/50 split?

really? A 50/50 split? How big is the population difference? We are talking about playing by the same rules.

exactly!

[bobcat]

50/50 split- no.

But equal, as in each person is allowed one deer tag and one elk tag. And where there are special restrictions in place, such as spike only for elk, and 3 point minimum for deer, EVERYONE should have to follow those same rules.

[snowpack]

50/50 split- no.

But equal, as in each person is allowed one deer tag and one elk tag. And where there are special restrictions in place, such as spike only for elk, and 3 point minimum for deer, EVERYONE should have to follow those same rules.

There are some tribes that have agreements between WDFW and their tribal resources agencies about things affecting animals in certain areas.  Example would be that tribes and state agreed no cows would be taken in some areas.

[Simcoe hunter]

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

Seriously, why would the tribes want to rewrite a contract that is more or less working for them?  Especially when the new version would make them subject to the BS we all have to go through.  Why would they want to have to apply for 6 (or 20) years before being allowed to shoot a bull?  Or have to give up using hounds?  Or only having a 9 day season?

There in lies the rub.  They are supposed to abide by federal law on the reservation, and still find as many ways around it as possible.  Can give examples if necessary.  It would be nice if they only had hunting privileges on the rez.  Once they step off, whether unclaimed land or not, they should have to follow the same rules you and I do.  They have left the rez of their own free will and shouldn't be allowed to interfere with other hunters as described in the OP.  We would turn in antis for harassing hunters.  Why not do the same with other individuals IF they did something wrong. 

[Simcoe hunter]

50/50 split- no.

But equal, as in each person is allowed one deer tag and one elk tag. And where there are special restrictions in place, such as spike only for elk, and 3 point minimum for deer, EVERYONE should have to follow those same rules.

   At least off the rez.  And if they have asked that WDFW not allow cows to be taken then they shouldn't be able to on the rez either.

[trophyhunt]

We all get along just great if they would just hunt on their Rez and like was just said, if they leave the Rez to hunt they follow the same rules as us. And put in for special permits just like the rest of us lowly citizens.

[ribka]

Do they sometimes age the deer and elk by hanging them up for 6 to 8 months to prepare for the funeral?

I see quite a few dehydrated non processed deer and elk on the Rez and rotting salmon dumped into ditches on the Rez. Is that part of the emotional and cultural heritage of worshipping mother earth?

You guys that claim the op was calling from the road, how do you know that? How do you know the guy wasn't way off the road and the native wasnt a really good long range shot?

Exactly. Im thinking he was on the far hillside and calling a bull up from the bottom. truck comes driving down the ridge and shoots the bull across the canyon from the road. anything like that could have happened. its just wrong that you even have to worry about that in archery season.

How is it wrong?  The tribal member was within his legal rights correct? Weather you or I or anyone else agrees with it we are here.

Its wrong because he was in is legal rights. thats the wrong part. anyone in there right mind would agree with that except tribal members.

I think it would've been just as legal for a bunch of non-tribal guys with bull permits to be cruising the roads and all bail out of their lifted F350s covered in hunting decals.  Then they run up ahead of hunter already calling and basically low hole him flinging arrows.  Same effect, different group.  Still as unsportsmanlike.

Very true, But running up and flinging arrows is okay in archery season. they never would have gotten a shot at the bull. it would have been long gone. but shooting a 300 yard shot from the road with a rifle during the rut is not the same.

[Green broke]

 If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

[Green broke]

Do they sometimes age the deer and elk by hanging them up for 6 to 8 months to prepare for the funeral?

I see quite a few dehydrated non processed deer and elk on the Rez and rotting salmon dumped into ditches on the Rez. Is that part of the emotional and cultural heritage of worshipping mother earth?

You guys that claim the op was calling from the road, how do you know that? How do you know the guy wasn't way off the road and the native wasnt a really good long range shot?

Exactly. Im thinking he was on the far hillside and calling a bull up from the bottom. truck comes driving down the ridge and shoots the bull across the canyon from the road. anything like that could have happened. its just wrong that you even have to worry about that in archery season.

How is it wrong?  The tribal member was within his legal rights correct? Weather you or I or anyone else agrees with it we are here.

Its wrong because he was in is legal rights. thats the wrong part. anyone in there right mind would agree with that except tribal members.

I think it would've been just as legal for a bunch of non-tribal guys with bull permits to be cruising the roads and all bail out of their lifted F350s covered in hunting decals.  Then they run up ahead of hunter already calling and basically low hole him flinging arrows.  Same effect, different group.  Still as unsportsmanlike.

Very true, But running up and flinging arrows is okay in archery season. they never would have gotten a shot at the bull. it would have been long gone. but shooting a 300 yard shot from the road with a rifle during the rut is not the same.

You are comical (and I don't find wastage funny)

[turkeyfeather]

If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

Let me ask you this? Why are you against playing by the same rules?

[Green broke]

If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

Let me ask you this? Why are you against playing by the same rules?

I refuse to give up any right I have.  I also don't see it as a necessity to manage. 

[turkeyfeather]

If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

Let me ask you this? Why are you against playing by the same rules?

I refuse to give up any right I have.  I also don't see it as a necessity to manage. 

That's what I thought. You don't really want change, you want it all. Change means sometimes having to make sacrifices in order to benefit the greater cause. To you it's a right when to the rest of us it's a priveledge. That's a devisive attitude and the kind that causes problems. Your still only thinking of you and what do you get out of it. That's exactly the reason we are having this debate. 

[trophyhunt]

If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

Let me ask you this? Why are you against playing by the same rules?

I refuse to give up any right I have.  I also don't see it as a necessity to manage. 

That's what I thought. You don't really want change, you want it all. Change means sometimes having to make sacrifices in order to benefit the greater cause. To you it's a right when to the rest of us it's a priveledge. That's a devisive attitude and the kind that causes problems. Your still only thinking of you and what do you get out of it. That's exactly the reason we are having this debate. 

BINGO!! GREED!

[furbearer365]

If we cannot co manage the resource and I am a failure in my efforts, so be it.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  We all have opinions.

Let me ask you this? Why are you against playing by the same rules?

I refuse to give up any right I have.  I also don't see it as a necessity to manage. 

That's what I thought. You don't really want change, you want it all. Change means sometimes having to make sacrifices in order to benefit the greater cause. To you it's a right when to the rest of us it's a priveledge. That's a devisive attitude and the kind that causes problems. Your still only thinking of you and what do you get out of it. That's exactly the reason we are having this debate. 

BINGO!! GREED!

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