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This frickin pisses me off! Really the north fork of the green??! This is crap
Quote from: Shane54 on March 10, 2014, 08:52:23 PMThis frickin pisses me off! Really the north fork of the green??! This is crapThis isn't the Green River in King County
I'd like to hear why you guys think this is crap? Wouldn't you rather have steelhead supporting themselves and doing well rather than paying somebody to rear them in steel pens?
Quote from: JODakota on March 11, 2014, 09:15:42 AMI'd like to hear why you guys think this is crap? Wouldn't you rather have steelhead supporting themselves and doing well rather than paying somebody to rear them in steel pens? Yeah guys, didn't you know the decline of native steelhead is a result of hatcheries. All it takes for natives to bounce back and "support themselves" is elimination of hatchery fish in their home streams.
I want to know if they plan to replace that lost opportunity by planting those fish somewhere else? I doubt it and would guess we just lost another place to fish without any plans to make up for it.
Quote from: WSU on March 11, 2014, 09:52:04 AMI want to know if they plan to replace that lost opportunity by planting those fish somewhere else? I doubt it and would guess we just lost another place to fish without any plans to make up for it.But, but, that makes no sense. If removing steel pens, eliminating people rearing them to the point of "supporting themselves" and "dong well" actually works, then why would we lose that fishery? Wouldn't it make for better fishing, isn't that the end goal, enjoyment for everyone? Equality?
Quote from: huntnphool on March 11, 2014, 10:06:14 AMQuote from: WSU on March 11, 2014, 09:52:04 AMI want to know if they plan to replace that lost opportunity by planting those fish somewhere else? I doubt it and would guess we just lost another place to fish without any plans to make up for it.But, but, that makes no sense. If removing steel pens, eliminating people rearing them to the point of "supporting themselves" and "dong well" actually works, then why would we lose that fishery? Wouldn't it make for better fishing, isn't that the end goal, enjoyment for everyone? Equality? Let's give WDFW the benefit of the doubt and assume this will work and wild steelhead will become more abundant (which I'd love, by the way). Even then, anglers are going to lose opportunity for the foreseeable future while the runs rebuild themselves. WDFW really should transfer that opportunity elsewhere while we wait.
Quote from: WSU on March 11, 2014, 10:17:18 AMQuote from: huntnphool on March 11, 2014, 10:06:14 AMQuote from: WSU on March 11, 2014, 09:52:04 AMI want to know if they plan to replace that lost opportunity by planting those fish somewhere else? I doubt it and would guess we just lost another place to fish without any plans to make up for it.But, but, that makes no sense. If removing steel pens, eliminating people rearing them to the point of "supporting themselves" and "dong well" actually works, then why would we lose that fishery? Wouldn't it make for better fishing, isn't that the end goal, enjoyment for everyone? Equality? Let's give WDFW the benefit of the doubt and assume this will work and wild steelhead will become more abundant (which I'd love, by the way). Even then, anglers are going to lose opportunity for the foreseeable future while the runs rebuild themselves. WDFW really should transfer that opportunity elsewhere while we wait.What is your estimate for the time it would take to rebuild and then for WDFW to open up fishing (any fishing however limited)?My guess is absolute best case scenario would be about 7 years. A spawn to spawn cycle with following smolt counts? So fish spawned in 2014 return in 2019 and then seine surveys in 2021 to count smolts from the 2019 spawn, then open season in 2021 or 2022. Do you think it might go faster?
And, do you think a hatchery raised fish knows that it's not a "Native" fish?
Don't forget unicorns
Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on March 11, 2014, 11:55:35 AMAnd, do you think a hatchery raised fish knows that it's not a "Native" fish? I believe it is pretty generally accepted that hatchery steelhead do terrible job spawning (as in two spawning adults do not create enough return to replace themselves, i.e. they create less than two returning fish). If hatchery steelhead were good at spawning, wouldn't it stand to reason that our rivers would be flooded with naturally reproducing steelhead? The cow has had millions planted in it for decades and they haven't reproduced for squat.
they dont have a clue!
Quote from: bigtex on March 10, 2014, 08:58:16 PMQuote from: Shane54 on March 10, 2014, 08:52:23 PMThis frickin pisses me off! Really the north fork of the green??! This is crapThis isn't the Green River in King CountyNope the Green and Toutle out this way.
Where is "Salmon Creek"?
Mine too Shane! I almost can't sleep the night before the opener.