PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[ucwarden]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

not holding but taking to their own rig is what I was referencing to and I've never had it happen before so what makes it common sense now?
been checked many times and never had to show a drivers license or let them disarm me especially when I unloaded it in front of them. Then ca we say no politetly then to being disamred then? especially if it's unloaded and the officer seen the person unload it?
But really never had that happen before all my life if a game warden came up to check us out all we had to show was fishing license and or huntng license.

I don't want to spend a bunch of time on this, but an officer putting your (or anyone's) firearm in their vehicle is likely just a way to make sure the contact goes safely and a way to properly care for your firearm (vs. laying it on the ground).  I am sorry to disagree with you, but I will always support an officer taking proper precautions for their own safety.  You might be the best person on earth, but officers who don't personally know you have no way of knowing that.  Safety has to come first. 

In my own personal experience, I ended up in the hospital because I once failed to follow basic officer safety precautions when dealing with a person I had no issues with on our previous 3 contacts.  I assumed that since he had been cooperative and polite on the prior contacts, he was not a threat.  Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong and he turned on me and attacked, causing me some pretty serious injuries.  Had I treated him as I had been trained, it may have turned out much better for me.

It's too bad that law enforcement has to take such careful actions, which may offend some, but the most important thing is to go home at the end of the day.

[csaaphill]

ok so how is this doing then?
and appreciate that. Just gona say no if I can if they insist then ok but still.
too my concerns come from I 594 you may be exempt but were not so hope you aint gona be making us do an onsight background check and or pay $ a bunch of money to get it back.
Oh hell no sorry that just dont sit well with me and hope with us for I can see this happening.
Wa just lost a lot of people over this crap I beleive some are moving as we speak thinking im one!

[ucwarden]

For a long time, I had trouble understanding why the WDFW commission has never responded to my letters or emails, and why they didn't request the CD of supporting documentation of my allegations against the WDFW enforcement staff.  How could they ignore what is going on, especially when their job is to run WDFW?  Why do they allow the enforcement program to so deeply divided?
Then I looked at the commissioners we have:  http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/members.html

Other than a couple, the commissioners are largely made up of academics and career fisheries managers.  I guess it's no wonder that I haven't heard screaming from them, when their own deputy chief states "Nobody gives a @#$ about deer and elk". 

That being said, I still don't understand how they can ignore what is happening to their own agency and especially the enforcement program.
Let's all cross our fingers that the commission at least appoints a director who has the courage and drive to fix the significant problems in his or her new agency.

[pianoman9701]

For a long time, I had trouble understanding why the WDFW commission has never responded to my letters or emails, and why they didn't request the CD of supporting documentation of my allegations against the WDFW enforcement staff.  How could they ignore what is going on, especially when their job is to run WDFW?  Why do they allow the enforcement program to so deeply divided?
Then I looked at the commissioners we have:  http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/members.html

Other than a couple, the commissioners are largely made up of academics and career fisheries managers.  I guess it's no wonder that I haven't heard screaming from them, when their own deputy chief states "Nobody gives a @#$ about deer and elk". 

That being said, I still don't understand how they can ignore what is happening to their own agency and especially the enforcement program.
Let's all cross our fingers that the commission at least appoints a director who has the courage and drive to fix the significant problems in his or her new agency.

I believe they see the decline in hunting as a given and the present and future money for them is in fisheries, sport and commercial. Until the senate listens to hunters and people like you, this won't change until hunting in WA is nothing but an afterthought. The wolves will be all the game management they need.

[ucwarden]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

not holding but taking to their own rig is what I was referencing to and I've never had it happen before so what makes it common sense now?
been checked many times and never had to show a drivers license or let them disarm me especially when I unloaded it in front of them. Then ca we say no politetly then to being disamred then? especially if it's unloaded and the officer seen the person unload it?
But really never had that happen before all my life if a game warden came up to check us out all we had to show was fishing license and or huntng license.

I don't want to spend a bunch of time on this, but an officer putting your (or anyone's) firearm in their vehicle is likely just a way to make sure the contact goes safely and a way to properly care for your firearm (vs. laying it on the ground).  I am sorry to disagree with you, but I will always support an officer taking proper precautions for their own safety.  You might be the best person on earth, but officers who don't personally know you have no way of knowing that.  Safety has to come first. 

In my own personal experience, I ended up in the hospital because I once failed to follow basic officer safety precautions when dealing with a person I had no issues with on our previous 3 contacts.  I assumed that since he had been cooperative and polite on the prior contacts, he was not a threat.  Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong and he turned on me and attacked, causing me some pretty serious injuries.  Had I treated him as I had been trained, it may have turned out much better for me.

It's too bad that law enforcement has to take such careful actions, which may offend some, but the most important thing is to go home at the end of the day.

i've said it for years, if you are scared of your work, get a new job.  The world needs ditch diggers, what it doesn't need is LEOs who treat law abiding citizens like criminals.  Sorry, not a beleiver.

Macs B:  Just one question for you; did you drive, hitchhike or take the bus to the protests in Ferguson?
You are obviously very biased against law enforcement, which I can't understand, but please don't waste anymore time directing your comments or rants to me.

[WSU]

In the past I've voluntarily unloaded my gun when contacted by a warden.  I don't know if they cared or not but I thought it might put them at ease.

[ucwarden]

In the past I've voluntarily unloaded my gun when contacted by a warden.  I don't know if they cared or not but I thought it might put them at ease.

Thank you for a voice of reason!   I am sure it is greatly appreciated, as long as you tell them what you are doing before you start to handle the firearm.

[Encore 280]

Don't pay macsb no never mind, he's probably pissed cuz he can't get a descent job and has to dig ditches.

[csaaphill]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

not holding but taking to their own rig is what I was referencing to and I've never had it happen before so what makes it common sense now?
been checked many times and never had to show a drivers license or let them disarm me especially when I unloaded it in front of them. Then ca we say no politetly then to being disamred then? especially if it's unloaded and the officer seen the person unload it?
But really never had that happen before all my life if a game warden came up to check us out all we had to show was fishing license and or huntng license.

I don't want to spend a bunch of time on this, but an officer putting your (or anyone's) firearm in their vehicle is likely just a way to make sure the contact goes safely and a way to properly care for your firearm (vs. laying it on the ground).  I am sorry to disagree with you, but I will always support an officer taking proper precautions for their own safety.  You might be the best person on earth, but officers who don't personally know you have no way of knowing that.  Safety has to come first. 

In my own personal experience, I ended up in the hospital because I once failed to follow basic officer safety precautions when dealing with a person I had no issues with on our previous 3 contacts.  I assumed that since he had been cooperative and polite on the prior contacts, he was not a threat.  Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong and he turned on me and attacked, causing me some pretty serious injuries.  Had I treated him as I had been trained, it may have turned out much better for me.

It's too bad that law enforcement has to take such careful actions, which may offend some, but the most important thing is to go home at the end of the day.

i've said it for years, if you are scared of your work, get a new job.  The world needs ditch diggers, what it doesn't need is LEOs who treat law abiding citizens like criminals.  Sorry, not a beleiver.

but not the tone but ya

[Special T]

A letter I Formulated to Send to the Parks and natural resource committee in light of the interview Todd did recently
Feel free to copy/ modify it to your needs







 To: kirk.pearson@leg.wa.gov
Bcc: maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov, brian.dansel@leg.wa.gov, brian.hatfield@leg.wa.gov, rosemary.mcauliffe@leg.wa.gov, judy.warnick@leg.wa.gov, mike.hewitt@leg.wa.gov
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2015011030
On Wednesday January 14th 2015 you interviewed Todd. I am happy you finally put his statements on record, but a little disappointed it took an article in the Yakima Valley herald to gain your attention. I have been following this issue for some time, and happy you are going to investigate the issues raised in Todd's Book Operation Cody.

Many of my fellow sportsmen have been disappointed  in the leadership of the WDFW for some time. There seem to be endless examples of strange decisions that the department makes. Sound logic of sportsmen and the departments boots on the ground employees are often ignored. This issues goes well beyond the departments claim that Todd Vandivert is an angry disgruntled employee. The leadership culture of the WDFW is horrendously documented in Todds accounts.  This is not an isolated account. I have heard it said that "Attitude is a Reflection of Leadership."

2013 WA State Dept. of Personnel “State Employee Survey” WDFW only had one agency with lower “General Satisfaction” survey results, and WDFW scored 3rd lowest in “Customer feedback used” (including Dept. of Corrections “customers”), and tied for 2nd worst in employees “Treated with respect”.

I have been asked by some one I know at the department to make my concerns known. This person does not speak out for fear of retaliation. Please do not think that the new WDFW Director will be able to solve these problems by himself. Please investigate this matter and move to correct the poor decisions that management has made.

Special T

[Knocker of rocks]

To: kirk.pearson@leg.wa.gov
Bcc: maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov, brian.dansel@leg.wa.gov, brian.hatfield@leg.wa.gov, rosemary.mcauliffe@leg.wa.gov, judy.warnick@leg.wa.gov, mike.hewitt@leg.wa.gov
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2015011030
On Wednesday January 14th 2015 you interviewed Todd. I am happy you finally put his statements on record, but a little disappointed it took an article in the Yakima Valley herald to gain your attention. I have been following this issue for some time, and happy you are going to investigate the issues raised in Todd's Book Operation Cody.

Many of my fellow sportsmen have been disappointed  in the leadership of the WDFW for some time. There seem to be endless examples of strange decisions that the department makes. Sound logic of sportsmen and the departments boots on the ground employees are often ignored. This issues goes well beyond the departments claim that Todd Vandivert is an angry disgruntled employee. The leadership culture of the WDFW is horrendously documented in Todds accounts.  This is not an isolated account. I have heard it said that "Attitude is a Reflection of Leadership."

2013 WA State Dept. of Personnel “State Employee Survey” WDFW only had one agency with lower “General Satisfaction” survey results, and WDFW scored 3rd lowest in “Customer feedback used” (including Dept. of Corrections “customers”), and tied for 2nd worst in employees “Treated with respect”.

I have been asked by some one I know at the department to make my concerns known. This person does not speak out for fear of retaliation. Please do not think that the new WDFW Director will be able to solve these problems by himself. Please investigate this matter and move to correct the poor decisions that management has made.

Special T

1)  Who "Todd" is needs to be clarified, you don't want to make the reader do research about this "Todd".

2) Second hand hearsay and allegation have no part in a letter an individual is writing to the legislature.  Make this about the writer.

[Dan-o]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

not holding but taking to their own rig is what I was referencing to and I've never had it happen before so what makes it common sense now?
been checked many times and never had to show a drivers license or let them disarm me especially when I unloaded it in front of them. Then ca we say no politetly then to being disamred then? especially if it's unloaded and the officer seen the person unload it?
But really never had that happen before all my life if a game warden came up to check us out all we had to show was fishing license and or huntng license.

I don't want to spend a bunch of time on this, but an officer putting your (or anyone's) firearm in their vehicle is likely just a way to make sure the contact goes safely and a way to properly care for your firearm (vs. laying it on the ground).  I am sorry to disagree with you, but I will always support an officer taking proper precautions for their own safety.  You might be the best person on earth, but officers who don't personally know you have no way of knowing that.  Safety has to come first. 

In my own personal experience, I ended up in the hospital because I once failed to follow basic officer safety precautions when dealing with a person I had no issues with on our previous 3 contacts.  I assumed that since he had been cooperative and polite on the prior contacts, he was not a threat.  Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong and he turned on me and attacked, causing me some pretty serious injuries.  Had I treated him as I had been trained, it may have turned out much better for me.

It's too bad that law enforcement has to take such careful actions, which may offend some, but the most important thing is to go home at the end of the day.

i've said it for years, if you are scared of your work, get a new job.  The world needs ditch diggers, what it doesn't need is LEOs who treat law abiding citizens like criminals.  Sorry, not a beleiver.

Mac B your comment is nonsense.

You sound like you want LEOs to just put themselves in the line of fire and take it.......

[Special T]

Sorry in the heading I had the title regaurding the committies interview of todd vandivert so they do know who im talking about, just forgot to copy that portion here.

That last portion may be hearsay but it came from someone I do know and have had a conversation with. I did cite the stellar record the departments has with its own employees. If my comments take away from the letter feel thats too bad, and unless youhave had a similar conversation with a department employee dont include it. Kirk pearson is MY represeantaive and i have discussed this, and other issues with him before.

[Man Tracker]

Thanks for your efforts!

[ucwarden]

A letter I Formulated to Send to the Parks and natural resource committee in light of the interview Todd did recently
Feel free to copy/ modify it to your needs







 To: kirk.pearson@leg.wa.gov
Bcc: maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov, brian.dansel@leg.wa.gov, brian.hatfield@leg.wa.gov, rosemary.mcauliffe@leg.wa.gov, judy.warnick@leg.wa.gov, mike.hewitt@leg.wa.gov
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2015011030
On Wednesday January 14th 2015 you interviewed Todd. I am happy you finally put his statements on record, but a little disappointed it took an article in the Yakima Valley herald to gain your attention. I have been following this issue for some time, and happy you are going to investigate the issues raised in Todd's Book Operation Cody.

Many of my fellow sportsmen have been disappointed  in the leadership of the WDFW for some time. There seem to be endless examples of strange decisions that the department makes. Sound logic of sportsmen and the departments boots on the ground employees are often ignored. This issues goes well beyond the departments claim that Todd Vandivert is an angry disgruntled employee. The leadership culture of the WDFW is horrendously documented in Todds accounts.  This is not an isolated account. I have heard it said that "Attitude is a Reflection of Leadership."

2013 WA State Dept. of Personnel “State Employee Survey” WDFW only had one agency with lower “General Satisfaction” survey results, and WDFW scored 3rd lowest in “Customer feedback used” (including Dept. of Corrections “customers”), and tied for 2nd worst in employees “Treated with respect”.

I have been asked by some one I know at the department to make my concerns known. This person does not speak out for fear of retaliation. Please do not think that the new WDFW Director will be able to solve these problems by himself. Please investigate this matter and move to correct the poor decisions that management has made.

Special T

Special T:
I first want to thank you for taking the time to express you thoughts and support.  That means a lot.
One thing I do want to clarify is that Senators Pearson and Hewitt have been on this (paying attention and coordinating with me) before the articles came out in the paper.  The news articles certainly got everyone's attention, an put this into high-gear, but it would be inaccurate to say that nobody paid attention until the articles came out.

Great job and many of our officers appreciate everyone's efforts (some aren't too happy about it).