Western archery quality apps

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

So with the pay to play going up everywhere is there any public land to hunt in the toutle or Margaret ?  Is there any reason to put in for either of those hunts if I don't plan on buying the access permit?  Takes away all the excitement!

[sirmissalot]

There is public land in both units yes.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Sweet.  Thanks.

[bobcat]

Barely any in the Margaret. Toutle has a large chunk of state land, but there's no guarantee that Weyerhaeuser will allow access through their land to get to it.

[Eli346]

The north  side of the Toutle should be open to access as it's almost all state land. Just take a left at the Toutle store and go about 2 miles and it's on the right. Can't remember the name of the road but it's easy to find on Google Earth.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Thanks bobcat.  Did the allow through access last year?  Or it the access permit new this year?  What about the wynoochee antlerless hunt is it all private land too?

Thanks eli

[billythekidrock]

Barely any in the Margaret. Toutle has a large chunk of state land, but there's no guarantee that Weyerhaeuser will allow access through their land to get to it.

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[sirmissalot]

Barely any in the Margaret.

Barely any. Right.

[RadSav]

Just take a left at the Toutle store and go about 2 miles and it's on the right. Can't remember the name of the road but it's easy to find on Google Earth.

I hope you are headed west when you take that left at the store   Otherwise you will need to go a lot further than 2 miles before you hit the sediment dam and take a right!

[kentrek]

Just take a left at the Toutle store and go about 2 miles and it's on the right. Can't remember the name of the road but it's easy to find on Google Earth.

I hope you are headed west when you take that left at the store   Otherwise you will need to go a lot further than 2 miles before you hit the sediment dam and take a right!

He was going in reverse out a drews 

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

The limited selection of quality apps for western elk is a joke.  I know we can already kill bulls and cows in some units but the toutle is a one in 30 chance of drawing.  If I hunt the east peaches or rimrock both have fairly easy to draw tags and then the antlerless permit oppurtunitys as well over there are so much better.  Just seems way lopsided as far as permits available.  I know I can get into bulls over here it just seems way to hard to draw a tag.  Some of the best archery elk or archery deer hunt on the east side are 1-30 chance of drawing.  Seems dumb that the same odds apply for the toutle hunt. 

[bobcat]

To increase quality permits on the west side, they would have to eliminate some of the general season hunts. Are you okay with that?


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[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

That's a broad question.  When where what season?  If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.  I wouldn't care if they got rid of certain rifle seasons to increase archery permits. 

[grundy53]

That's a broad question.  When where what season?  If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.  I wouldn't care if they got rid of certain rifle seasons to increase archery permits.

Well that's awfully thoughtful of you. Giving up other people's hunts to help you.... They don't need as many quality permits on the west side as they do on the eastside because the general seasons are already open to branch antlered bulls. Unlike the eastside.

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[bobcat]

The question was rhetorical. I was just pointing out that the lack of special permit hunts on the west side is due to the liberal general seasons we have. Personally, I'd like to see it go to permit only elk hunting so the elk can be managed properly. I think an end to general season elk hunting is imminent now that access to Weyerhaeuser land is being restricted.


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[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

That's a broad question.  When where what season?  If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.  I wouldn't care if they got rid of certain rifle seasons to increase archery permits.

Well that's awfully thoughtful of you. Giving up other people's hunts to help you.... They don't need as many quality permits on the west side as they do on the eastside because the general seasons are already open to branch antlered bulls. Unlike the eastside.

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I wasn't serious about doing away with certain rifle seasons.  Just a stupid answer to a stupid question.  Apparently a rhetorical question.  Bobcat I completely agree with you on your last comment.

[kentrek]

I don't understand how making everything go special permit is going to help the state manage elk better on the west side ? Look how well they managed the toutle or the Margaret...both hunts are a joke compared to what they used to be

[Clearcut]

The state land up in toutle you wanna hang a Right at the toutle she'll station into south toutle road then hang another right on the 4100 then go oh about 3-4 miles an hang a left on the 4200 an it'll take you up to the vast majority of the state land... But I wouldn't consider a quality tag. I wouldn't waste more than a handful of points in it anyway.. Just my opinion.

[Jburke]

If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.

How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?

[WSU]

They should give out quality tags that are later in September during the actual rut.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.

How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?

it would greatly expand my choices as a westside archery hunter.  By like 20 different permits. 

[Jburke]

If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton.  Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.

How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?

it would greatly expand my choices as a westside archery hunter.  By like 20 different permits.

I'm still not following you.  By eliminating the need to choose east or west, it will not add any more permits.  It would only allow a person to have more options.  It will not change the number of permits that are given out.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I'm not talking about adding more hunts.  Just giving westsiders archers more options.  If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits.  If you still don't understand then I can't help you.  I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.

[Big6bull]

I'm not talking about adding more hunts.  Just giving westsiders archers more options.  If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits.  If you still don't understand then I can't help you.  I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.

It would give more otions but it make any good hunt a lot  harder to draw... Even worse than now ...

[D-Rock425]

I'm not talking about adding more hunts.  Just giving westsiders archers more options.  If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits.  If you still don't understand then I can't help you.  I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.

this would really suck for eastside hunters.  90% of the westside hunters would put in for eastside tags. 

[Big6bull]

 

I'm not talking about adding more hunts.  Just giving westsiders archers more options.  If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits.  If you still don't understand then I can't help you.  I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.

this would really suck for eastside hunters.  90% of the westside hunters would put in for eastside tags.

[sirmissalot]

If you want more options to draw a tag for a big bull, hunt the eastside, chase spikes and put in your time learning the area while building points and applying for the big bull tags. If you'd rather hunt branch bulls every year hunt the west side... I honestly don't mind the current system, it makes sense to me. Washington has such a high hunter to game ratio there are things we have to do to limit the pressure in game rich(er) areas.

[D-Rock425]

You guys can put in for nooksack too.  I just looked and archery hunters with that tag had a 54 day split season.  Even I could get it done in 54 days.

[Ccortez]

You guys can put in for nooksack too.  I just looked and archery hunters with that tag had a 54 day split season.  Even I could get it done in 54 days.

There's no elk in the Nooksack

[D-Rock425]

Oh yeah I forgot

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

that was my first choice.  My second was the toutle.  The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw.  And the toutle is like 5% chance.  the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount.  I chase branch bulls every year.  I went east one year when Naches was open for cows and was in elk every day.  Then hit rimrock for the last few days of early and seen a good amount of elk.  One big six at like ten feet.  The rimrock tag is a one in four chance to draw.  I was tempted to go east and put peaches as my first with a 1-10 odds and then rimrock as my second with 1-4 odds but I figured I couldn't even hit that and would be stuck hunting cows and spikes.  I hunt timber property on the west.  When that goes to access permit I will hunt east every year.  Im sure thousands of hunters will be switching to the east side hunts now that their westside  hunting grounds are pay to play.  The eastside will see a huge increase in permit apps and new hunters to the general season.  This year will probably incraes a ton of permits now that people are aware of the access permit required to hunt their area.  where as last year they might not of known and just got locked out with a westside tag

[bobcat]

I bet a lot of people won't  know about St Helens being closed this year until they show up at the gate on opening day.


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[billythekidrock]

that was my first choice.  My second was the toutle.  The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw.  And the toutle is like 5% chance.  the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount. 

These were  the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.

[BOWHUNTER45]

You guys can put in for nooksack too.  I just looked and archery hunters with that tag had a 54 day split season.  Even I could get it done in 54 days.

Not as easy as you think  I have talked to a few people who went home empty handed ...Besides if you want to just put in for points go ahead and apply but the chances really stink ... they would rather let the Indians kill them  just saying D-Rock ..

[jackelope]

1 in 4 odds in Rimrock? Huh? You must have a ton of points.

[kentrek]

that was my first choice.  My second was the toutle.  The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw.  And the toutle is like 5% chance.  the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount. 

These were  the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.

How was your hunt ?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

1 in 4 odds in Rimrock? Huh? You must have a ton of points.

No I will have four this year.  Average points for 2013 were 5.  96 tags 423 apps.  Yeah my odds would be just under 1-4.  1-5 at worst that's assuming a majority put in with more points than me.  And I bet a majority put in for that hunt with similar amount of points as I have this year 4.

[billythekidrock]

that was my first choice.  My second was the toutle.  The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw.  And the toutle is like 5% chance.  the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount. 

These were  the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.

How was your hunt ?

It was ok.
I saw a few bulls in the Toutle and missed one good opportunity. Ended up killing a cow in the Skook during the late season.

[jackelope]

1 in 4 odds in Rimrock? Huh? You must have a ton of points.

No I will have four this year.  Average points for 2013 were 5.  96 tags 423 apps.  Yeah my odds would be just under 1-4.  1-5 at worst that's assuming a majority put in with more points than me.  And I bet a majority put in for that hunt with similar amount of points as I have this year 4.

Noooooo. How many points did each of those applicants have? Average points means not much. Your odds are off. Have Bob33 show you your real odds.

[bobcat]

Actually that's pretty close according to the odds that idahohunter posted. His numbers actually show 1 in 3 odds for someone with 4 points.

Although with the access permits being required for most areas here in SW Washington, I think odds for eastside permits will be drastically less than what the numbers show.

[jackelope]

Actually that's pretty close according to the odds that idahohunter posted. His numbers actually show 1 in 3 odds for someone with 4 points.

Although with the access permits being required for most areas here in SW Washington, I think odds for eastside permits will be drastically less than what the numbers show.

Huh no kidding...

[Jburke]

I'm not talking about adding more hunts.  Just giving westsiders archers more options.  If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits.  If you still don't understand then I can't help you.  I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.

I get what you're saying now.  Your original post made it sound like you meant there would be more permits.  It would give everyone more options.  The odds already aren't great for a quality tag though, and that would only make them worse in my opinion.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I agree.  Much harder.  I will draw multi one year hopefully before I burn my points in the toutle. 

[Bullkllr]

Toutle used to be a draw you could count on every few years..."point inflation" has really hit hard, hasn't it?

[Jburke]

I agree.  Much harder.  I will draw multi one year hopefully before I burn my points in the toutle.

I wish I had the time to really invest in using a multi season tag.  I had a multi season deer tag a couple years ago and also drew a second deer tag.  I got pretty good use out of it that year, but I was stretched pretty thin on vacation afterward and my buddy and I wanted to fill our second tag before we went hunting for bucks cut in to the quality of the hunt.  We spent more time trying to fill our doe tags than we had planned and it cut short the rest of the time off I had. 

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Toutle used to be a draw you could count on every few years..."point inflation" has really hit hard, hasn't it?

It doesn't seem that the point inflation has had to big of an effect.  It's just 50 permits  and 1500 apps.  Then if you added the points for each app I bet I don't even have a 2% chance at that tag. 

The eastside is some fun hunting.  I could have killed a calf the year I hunted out there.  Had her at like ten feet full draw and second geussed killing her.  I wanted momma cow and they busted me.  My grandfather said I passed on the tenderest steaks ever.  I know four different areas out east pretty well.  We'll enough to find elk in when I do go east.  I wounder when my area I elk hunt goes permit.  There's already permit area around me where I hunt so hopefully they never go permit.