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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2014, 08:37:57 AM »
I am going to call them today.  And i will get the name and pass it on
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2014, 08:40:41 AM »
Yet another poorly worded law.  Who the hell writes these things?  Or do they purposely try to word them to be confusing?  :dunno:
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2014, 09:40:38 AM »
Just emailed WDFW that way they can't say i didn't talk to such and such. hope to recieve a response back shortly :tup:
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2014, 06:32:43 AM »
So Sorry for the delay.  As long as it is not a decoy, you are ok to use the wave machine. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Timothy O YN2 VP-1, B410 R205 [mailto:timothy.haggerty@navy.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:40 AM
To: Team MillCreek (DFW)
Subject: USE OF WAVE MACHINES
Importance: High

Hello,

   After reading your regulations many times I never saw anything that would ban a wave machine.  I would like to clarify if wave machines are legal or not.  I saw in the migratory game pamphlet that the use of electronic decoys and electronic calls are illegal.  That would make the wave machine legal as long as it is not connected to decoys.  Am I wrong or right?

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ere is the response you have all been waiting on...:
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2014, 07:17:21 AM »
I think most classify this device as an ice eatter.  Keeps motion in the pond to keep the ice from forming.  There may be no mention in the regs of wave machines.  Ice eatters may come up.

It appears you have clarification on the state regs.  Now you need to e-mail the USFW department to check there laws.  They will trump state law for migratory waterfowl laws.
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2014, 07:57:49 AM »
Since it's only the State regs that say no motorized/electronic decoys, I'm not sure what the problem is since he got clarification that the ice eater/wave machine is OK if it is not a decoy?

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2014, 08:06:56 AM »
Since it's only the State regs that say no motorized/electronic decoys, I'm not sure what the problem is since he got clarification that the ice eater/wave machine is OK if it is not a decoy?

There is a USFWS law that adopts state regs for migratory birds. The USFWS may view this regulation differently then WDFW.

Also, if I was the original poster I would email WDFW Enforcement in Olympia rather then the general Region 4 email address.

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2014, 08:44:03 AM »
Well i emailed the one for my region b/c when i got off it would be tough they are closed.
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2014, 10:10:15 AM »
Just a call to your local gamie and you're all set.

No, not really.  What if local gamie says, sure no problem, what’s to assure the gamie that checks me later agrees with him/her?

If you've done your due diligence and received a go ahead from one, it's unlikely another would cite you. More likely, he'd check with the officer you spoke with and would drop it. In addition, as an authority representing the state DFW, you would be covered in a court case. No one's going to convict someone who went through the steps to ensure they're legal. There may be exceptions to this but you'd be super unlikely to be one of them.

That’s not been my experience with law enforcement personnel.

With F&W LE? Really? I've had no problems with them and they've always been very helpful with my questions.  :dunno:

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2014, 02:08:40 PM »
Since it's only the State regs that say no motorized/electronic decoys, I'm not sure what the problem is since he got clarification that the ice eater/wave machine is OK if it is not a decoy?

There is a USFWS law that adopts state regs for migratory birds. The USFWS may view this regulation differently then WDFW.


I don't understand this.  If they adopt state law then why are electronics legal elsewhere?  If it adopts state regs in the state that has them, then there would still  be no issue if wave machines are not considered decoys.   :dunno:  I guess the only quandry now is What is a decoy?  Of course they will not answer that as it would be too definite......   :rolleyes:

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM »
I'd save the hastle and use a jerk cord

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2014, 03:51:05 PM »
Just emailed WDFW that way they can't say i didn't talk to such and such. hope to recieve a response back shortly :tup:

Looks like you had the same response from them as I did.   :rolleyes:

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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2014, 07:25:52 AM »
they say they are I got the email back from WDFW
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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2014, 07:44:48 AM »
they say they are I got the email back from WDFW

They say they are legal?  Post up their response please.


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Re: Are wave machines legal?
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2014, 08:04:01 AM »
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Sorry for the delay.  As long as it is not a decoy, you are ok to use the wave machine. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Timothy O YN2 VP-1, B410 R205 [mailto:timothy.haggerty@navy.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:40 AM
To: Team MillCreek (DFW)
Subject: USE OF WAVE MACHINES
Importance: High

Hello,

   After reading your regulations many times I never saw anything that would ban a wave machine.  I would like to clarify if wave machines are legal or not.  I saw in the migratory game pamphlet that the use of electronic decoys and electronic calls are illegal.  That would make the wave machine legal as long as it is not connected to decoys.  Am I wrong or right?

V/R
YN2(AW/SW) Timothy O Haggerty
VP-1 "SCREAMING EAGLES"
ADMIN
DSN: 312-820-8379
COMM: 360-257-8379
CELL: 504-430-1236
NIPR: timothy.haggerty@navy.mil
Member:  YKWTSASFFRO (The young Buck)

 


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