SB 5500 Would Allow Retired WA LEOs to Carry Guns on School Property

[10thmountainarcher]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

This bill is only for retired, off duty Leos can already carry on school grounds.

[10thmountainarcher]

No because  they are retired and aren't any different that John Q Public and who ever thinks otherwise needs to pull their head out of their AZZ.
He she it is retired and or off duty therefore Nothing special, he77 they aren't anything special even when they are on duty as far as I'm concerned........

Federally they are recognized differently with LEOSA

[Ridgeratt]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

[washelkhunter]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

I kinda gotta think that if something is going down and 2 dudes pullup in response to said threat that a wink and a nod is probably all that's required.

[KFhunter]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

got a dozen armed civilians in school and some kids lights off a firecracker in the hallway

[KFhunter]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

I kinda gotta think that if something is going down and 2 dudes pullup in response to said threat that a wink and a nod is probably all that's required.

wink and a nod?      serious?

[Ridgeratt]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

got a dozen armed John Wayne wanna be's in school and some kids lights off a firecracker in the hallway

 Ok field Edit


If they were LEO's they would both be giving direction to the other to comply and then both would have to let their guard down enough to verify the others credentials.

[KFhunter]

So if 2 folks were armed and converging on a perceived shooter and  both who have never seen the other and they see a weapon what column would they put the person in " Good Guy" or " Bad Guy"

got a dozen armed John Wayne Wanna be's in school and some kids lights off a firecracker in the hallway

 Ok field Edit


If they were LEO's they would both be giving direction to the other to comply and then both would have to let their guard down enough to verify the others credentials.

"STOP POLICE!"

"I am police too!"

"Show your credentials then!"

"you first!"

"no, you first!"

"NO, YOU FIRST!!"

"NO YOU FIRST I INSIST!!!"

[CAMPMEAT]

I think all catholic priests should be able to babysit young boys too, while were at it fellas.

[Bean Counter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

This bill is only for retired, off duty Leos can already carry on school grounds.

If  I am correct, and I usually am, if this is true it is because of a particular states law and not a function of LEOSA. Despite its intent LESOA does not preempt all state laws.

[Bean Counter]

How many people would this bill possibly effect?

If its a provision of LEOSA, which the conversation has steered towards, it would be any LEO or even a quasi-LEO who either retires or serves 10 years without gettin' canned.

[Bean Counter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.

Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-duty

It could be said that because of conjoining department and TSA regs that at this point the LEO isn't 100% off duty.

[Bean Counter]

licensed law abiding people haven't been allowed to brings guns to school thereby introducing a firearm where previously there were none.

My worry is a teacher is carrying armed and a student plays the knock out game, gets the gun then commences to shooting the place up.
Ya, concealed is concealed...but spend enough time concealed there's going to be a slip up eventually then word will get around the school so-and-so teacher is packin.

That's why John Lott wrote "more guns, less crime." the solution isn't less guns, its more.

For the record I think that concerned parents and even teachers would be a better asset than off duty or retired LEOs. 

[bigtex]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.

Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-duty

It could be said that because of conjoining department and TSA regs that at this point the LEO isn't 100% off duty.

When an LEO is flying to Disneyland with his family, he is considered off duty to me. And in this situation he is flying armed. You can call it what you want. But to me if someone is flying armed and isn't being paid, then he isn't "on duty."

[huntnphool]

I support it - but I would like to see anyone eligible able to carry concealed allowed to carry on school property.  I believe it would be a net gain in school safety.

 +1

 Only thing that concerns me is those intent on going to a school and killing are going to regardless. I would prefer to have trained/permitted armed men/women at our schools but limiting to a small number of individuals like retired LEO's makes them the initial target.

 Why give specifics to those whack jobs and make it easy for them? Why not allow all those with permits to carry and keep the perps guessing who might be armed, rather than painting targets on one or two people?