When a timber company closes their land?

[huntingbaldguy]

That is to walk in also, correct?  Or is it company specific?  Should i just call and find out?  So all scouting activity is to come to an immediate halt basically is what I'm asking?  Will they slap you with trespassing charges if they catch you?

[bankwalker]

Typically there are two options...either, Closed to motorized vehicles. Or closed to ALL access.

Best bet is to call and find out before driving to the location. Or take a trip and check the gates, there will be signs up.

[huntingbaldguy]

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

[Elkterd]

   if it is posted at the gate it applies to all that company's ground, and that does not matter where you access it from....Nice try though 

[grundy53]

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

It means their land is closed to public entry. Period.

[huntingbaldguy]

Well if it's posted at the gate i just assumed it's motorized access, like people with woodcutting permits or people with motorcycles and stuff.  That's why i asked, i don't see what my feet are going to set on fire regardless of how fast i walk.  If you think i want to look like an idiot you can keep beating your head against a wall though, doesn't hurt me.

[huntingbaldguy]

Besides, i checked their website and it says they "urge caution" and "compliance with no camping, smoking or fires policy".  It doesn't say closed to all access, stay off our land or else.  Again, that's why i'm asking, so i don't look like an idiot walking in and getting arrested or something.

[Eli346]

Until we get some rain I think I would stay out of the woods; but especially if it's posted with signs stating no entry. I think you probably wouldn't be up there smoking and building a campfire but if something did get started elsewhere in your section of the woods there will be hell to pay. They'll be looking for a scapegoat to cover their costs and it ain't cheap.

[MADMAX]

If its ST Helens tree farm, heres the info


Due to the increasing fire danger, Southwest WA Tree Farm non-permit lands are closed to
public access. This includes motorized vehicles, walking, biking or horseback riding. If you have
a valid Southwest WA recreational access permit you will be allowed to access the designated
permit areas unless conditions continue to escalate.

[huntingfool7]

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

"CLOSED TO PUBLIC ENTRY..." Is not clear enough? 

[huntingbaldguy]

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

"CLOSED TO PUBLIC ENTRY..." Is not clear enough? 

I posted what their website says, i'm not going to sit here and argue.  Again, it doesn't say closed to all entry on their website, it says they urge caution to those intending to use their lands and ask for compliance with their no camping, smoking or fires policy.  I'll just stop asking questions when i have them.  Thanks anyways.

It's not St Helens.  I'll just call the hotline.  Thanks to those that tried to be helpful.

[h20hunter]

My areas have the same closed due to fire danger.  Didn't bother checking the website.  Land is posted closed in the real world, good enough for me without needing to look online to confirm.

[baker5150]

My areas have the same closed due to fire danger.  Didn't bother checking the website.  Land is posted closed in the real world, good enough for me without needing to look online to confirm.

 

Hard to argue against a posted sign.

[huntingfool7]

That is to walk in also, correct?  Or is it company specific?  Should i just call and find out?  So all scouting activity is to come to an immediate halt basically is what I'm asking?  Will they slap you with trespassing charges if they catch you?

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

Well if it's posted at the gate i just assumed it's motorized access, like people with woodcutting permits or people with motorcycles and stuff.  That's why i asked, i don't see what my feet are going to set on fire regardless of how fast i walk.  If you think i want to look like an idiot you can keep beating your head against a wall though, doesn't hurt me.

Besides, i checked their website and it says they "urge caution" and "compliance with no camping, smoking or fires policy".  It doesn't say closed to all access, stay off our land or else.  Again, that's why i'm asking, so i don't look like an idiot walking in and getting arrested or something.

My problem is i don't access it from gates, but there is a sign up that says "closed to public entry due to extreme fire danger" on the gate.  That's not clear enough for me because I'm not entering there.

"CLOSED TO PUBLIC ENTRY..." Is not clear enough? 

I posted what their website says, i'm not going to sit here and argue.  Again, it doesn't say closed to all entry on their website, it says they urge caution to those intending to use their lands and ask for compliance with their no camping, smoking or fires policy.  I'll just stop asking questions when i have them.  Thanks anyways.

It's not St Helens.  I'll just call the hotline.  Thanks to those that tried to be helpful.

Not happy 'cause you're not getting the affirmation you're looking for.     Tough to claim ignorance with the above posts.

[huntingbaldguy]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. I asked a simple question about confirming with the timber company and whether anyone has for walk in access.

[h20hunter]

If it was posted "No trespassing" which it essentially is saying, would you need to confirm online?

[Knocker of rocks]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. I asked a simple question about confirming with the timber company and whether anyone has for walk in access.

But you won't mention the company?

[h20hunter]

My normal haunts are owned by Campbell Group. Posted closed to access.

[Magnum_Willys]

I like they are calling it closed to non-permit access. Used to say closed to all public access but if you had a permit it didnt apply to you until they closed it to All access then it did. Was very confusing.
I think in a week everything was closed to non permit access anyway?

[CplRaines]

It seems you are only asking for a specific answer that is an enabler for you to enter the posted land.
I see you are a Kitsap person, which suggests you are wanting to head to my neck of the woods. The land around here is owned, for the most part, by Pope Resources. There land is closed to all access right now. You can't walk, run, bike, drive, jump, skip, crawl or flap your arms really fast and attempt to fly into their land. It doesn't matter if you enter it at a gate or somewhere you can't see the sign from. It's private property. Stay out.
You may not like the answer but that is the situation.

[h20hunter]

Actually,  with respect, you are wrong.  I found online that access is indeed granted if you are able to flap your arms fast enough to fly. It is posted on site, not online.

 

[bobcat]

When does "closed to public entry" ever NOT mean closed to public entry?

They put the signs on the gates because that's normally where most people access those lands. It's unreasonable to expect them to post their entire property line.

[jay.sharkbait]

" if you are able to flap your arms fast enough to fly"

The ability to do this would make you part of a protected class. 

[fireweed]

I like they are calling it closed to non-permit access. Used to say closed to all public access but if you had a permit it didnt apply to you until they closed it to All access then it did. Was very confusing.
I think in a week everything was closed to non permit access anyway?

Weird how if you buy a permit, you all of a sudden aren't a danger for starting a fire...

[ICEMAN]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. .....

Oxymoron.

If you don't want to rely on hearsay from a forum, why ask?

[MountainWalk]

What happened to my post?.....

[Blacktail Sniper]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. .....

Oxymoron.

If you don't want to rely on hearsay from a forum, why ask?

 

[Netminder01]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. .....

Oxymoron.

If you don't want to rely on hearsay from a forum, why ask?

 

 

[bankwalker]

If there is a sign saying close to public entry posted on a gate....then it's closed plain and simple. DO NOT TRUST THE COMPANY WEBSITE. There are times they are very delayed to get an update on current accessibility levels.

[Magnum_Willys]

If there is a sign saying close to public entry posted on a gate....then it's closed plain and simple.

Unless you are a permit holder..........

[RadSav]

If there is a sign saying close to public entry posted on a gate....then it's closed plain and simple.

Unless you are a permit holder..........

Unless you are a permit holder carrying all the required fire gear.  Not sure I can remember everything required right now, but I know it included a shovel, axe and certain size/type fire extinguisher.  You could lose your access rights even with a permit if you do not have these items with you during fire season.



Here we go - from last weeks Weyco email:

As we go into another hot and dry weekend we wanted to remind our permittees to make sure they have the proper fire tools with them when entering the permit area.

1.   During fire season, Permittee must carry a shovel, axe and a properly functioning U.L.- approved fire extinguisher 5 pound BC minimum.  Permittee must notify the Department of Natural Resources at 800-562-6010 or by calling 911 if any fires are observed.

[huntingbaldguy]

Ignorance can go both ways if you don't talk to source and rely on heresay on a forum. .....

Oxymoron.

If you don't want to rely on hearsay from a forum, why ask?

No i know, you're right.  I apparently just learned this, that's why i said it.  Everyone is just going to criticize you for asking a simple question so best to ask the source.  Lesson learned.

[ICEMAN]

huntingbaldguy, you are a hunter and a brother to us. Nobody wants to bash. Most guys that post their experience are trying to help.

Here is to your hunting year!  Good luck, I hope the woods gets opened for you so you can enjoy your hunt.

[Bullkllr]

I have seen at least once where a fire closure had been lifted and all the signs were not removed yet. This was St. Helens. Hotline said open for walk-in. Signs saying no access were still up. Called the main office and they said to go ahead- it would take awhile to clear all the signs.

This was after substantial rain in September. I don't think this is the situation OP's case.

[cryder]

Im sure if the timeing is right and you get the right person on the line , just be ready with a credit card and your in, for crap sakes your in Washington state, money can get you anywhere, all that sign is really telling you is do you know someone that knows someone who they can call that has a number they know that will get you to the money collecter, just ask my 84 year old uncle, that guy knows a guy that knows a guy , all this clown does is run a chainsaw and semi trailer for wheyerhouser I think it is , but any way that guy can get in anywhere and he takes my uncle with him everytime, I think its his camp cooking  but he got a black tail last year  my uncle says they didn't here or see a person or a vehicle in the four days up there,i keep asking for that guys number but all I get is call that other guy, ya real funny uncle Emry !!

[MountainWalk]

Pope land is still closed.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I AM SURE ALOT OF LAND IS CLOSED TO FIRE DANGER RIGHT NOW 

[Angry Perch]

" if you are able to flap your arms fast enough to fly"

The ability to do this would make you part of a protected class.

Which means if you want to order a cake to celebrate your first flight, they HAVE to make it for you!

[cryder]

ANGRY PERCH, is a very smart individual , seems as though he gets it too !!