selling fish on the side of the river question

[EyeTooth]

Thanks for not removing this thread. This is the type of discussion I like, and the way it should be discussed.

[xxlx7]

Thank you ManTracker!! Very informative.

[jpharcher]

I see them selling out of the truck every day along the Hood Canal when the silvers are in.
They net them in Dabob Bay, come back over to Seabeck Highway at Lone Rock with a large sign for fresh silvers....

[BOWHUNTER45]

I have went around and around with myself about tribal laws ..You can not blame the tribes ....blame your government . That's the problem here . Way to much government running every issue that arises ...the other day I was talking to my neighbor lady ..she owns a lot of land across the street from me ..she has over 30 head of elk in her pasture non stop ..I ask her if a friend of mine could shoot a spike with his spike tag ..Her reply to me was , I would think about but they are the INDIANS ELK    After a little explaining , she said she would think about it ...little off topic but that's the way it is !  For the most part I think the tribes are trying to do their best to keep peace amongst us all ...

[xxlx7]

I agree, you can't blame the tribes, my family comes from the blackfoots in west Virginia, however I am not tribal. My great grandparents said we are all Americans, and we should play by the same rules and didn't enroll my grandma, and so on. Sometimes, I wish they would have enrolled all of us, college tuition, hunting, fishing, ect. I guess the downfall is I would have to live in West Virginia too.... No thanks!!!

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

When I said this,..

Racism.
Money and lawyers/politicians.

I was not blaming a group of people, I was stating the reasons it happens and we have issues.
Politicians and the legal system have allowed a certain race separate privileges.
There are people out there that will play the system any way they can.
Until all Americans are Americans ONLY, no added adjectives denoting their heritage, and we are all governed by the same laws, somebody is going to be unhappy. Period.
If you see a white guy selling fish on the side of the river, you can bet that an enforcement officer will catch him.
Hell, you even need a permit for berries, mushrooms, or whatever.

Most tribes have good regulations on paper.  Many lack the manpower (or the will) to enforce those regulations.  State Officers can document violations and refer to tribes for prosecution, as the tribes see fit.

A warden wont even hit the brakes if he sees a Native selling, not worth the paper to write the ticket.
Racial profiling in its purest sense.
My bad experience was with a guy selling out of his truck, he was rude to my kid that wanted to look at the fish when I told him I was not interested .
Was a real jerk.


I don't blame the tribes, I blame the individual, and the system we have in place that causes disparity among the citizenry.

[horsepacker]

over the years i have bought salmon from different tribes as soon as there boat hits the river bank. i usually need eggs so i will negotiate prices for a couple of fish. i also go to westport and buy tuna as soon boats hit the marina, i really dont care if they have a commercial license or not, in my opinion that none of my business. i have done this off and on for 50years 

[Man Tracker]

DFW Officers Can and often Will stop to see who is selling fish/shellfish.  Tribal members must follow tribal regulations, (and carry tribal ID) non-tribal must follow state rules.  DFW Officer can refer violations to the correct tribe.  If tribal members are outside of their U and A, they can be cited into state court, it requires approval from Olympia.  If all commercially harvested fish/shellfish were properly documented and sold according to the established laws, there would be more for everyone.

With all due respect to everyone, buying fish from an unlicensed seller only makes a difficult situation worse.  Anyone can ask if the product they are buying has been recorded on a Fish Receiving Ticket. 

Tribal issues are often extremely complex.  With 25 plus treaty tribes, each with their own regulations, state laws, rules, and court decisions on both the state and federal level, it is no wonder Game Wardens/Fish Cops get confused.  Clear direction is often lacking, adding to the difficulty.

[KFhunter]

What repercussions (if any) are there for the non-native buyers who purchased fish from a native seller whose just netting and selling fish without any regard to catch cards or any other law?   

I'm thinking the scenario is WDFW watches a dude buy a cooler full of salmon from a native and walking back to his truck with it and pulls up to stop them. 


Also part two question,  wouldn't a guy buying a cooler full of salmon be over their possession limits or does it even apply?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

What bothers me is that someone gets special treatment based upon race.
We will never have equality until we are all the same in the eyes of the law.
The original agreement was to allow a certain group to have similar rights, not special treatment. 
If it is illegal for one, it should be illegal for all.

So is it illegal for a state commercial fisherman to sell his catch on the roadside?

Not if you get the proper permits and make out fish tickets and turn them into the state, and pay any taxes due.

[brew]

What repercussions (if any) are there for the non-native buyers who purchased fish from a native seller whose just netting and selling fish without any regard to catch cards or any other law?   

I'm thinking the scenario is WDFW watches a dude buy a cooler full of salmon from a native and walking back to his truck with it and pulls up to stop them. 


Also part two question,  wouldn't a guy buying a cooler full of salmon be over their possession limits or does it even apply?

are the fish and game cops sitting outside Costco checking everyones seafood purchases to make sure they are not over their possesion limit ?  i hope not cuz i sure luv me some prawns...

[KFhunter]

no, but I do remember the days when cops sat outside the smoke shops nailing people for buying reservation cigs.


Costco wasn't in my scenario.

[PlateauNDN]

no, but I do remember the days when cops sat outside the smoke shops nailing people for buying reservation cigs.


Costco wasn't in my scenario.

Ah man, the smoke shop wars.....that was an Era to have lived in.

[Man Tracker]

To reply to KFHunters question.
To be legal when buying tribal caught fish from an individual fisher, non tribal member needs a  receipt/invoice with tribal fishers name, ID number, number/type of fish, location caught, and date.

[donsk16]

Can you list the law that makes that the case?  Why would you need that information?  I don't see the difference in buying a fish from the store or an individual fisher (assuming the fisher is documenting his catch properly).