Baiting on the chopping block

[Mxracer532]

I could get behind a permit system for baiting. $5-$15 seems like a reasonable price. You aren't required to bait so 80-90% of guys won't be effected and if permits are created a monitoring/enforcement program should be funded

Just more money for the general fund.

general fund to what? Put more stupid fish statues over a freeway in Seattle??? No thanks!

[TomT]

Drawing System:

Haven't thought it through thoroughly, but my initial thoughts are as follows:

Run the draw in order of difficulty to draw.  For example run the OIL tag draws first.  If you draw one, you are done in the drawing, but will still get points in the other categories.  Maybe draw quality tags next, buck/bull tags after that, antlerless tags next, etc.  If at any point, you draw a tag, you are then done in the drawing. 

This would prevent people from drawing multiple tags in one year and give other people a chance.  I don't know about the rest of you, but I get tired of hearing how lucky other people are in drawing multiple tags (some which cannot be used because they draw multiple tags on the same species), when I cannot even manage to draw a cow tag with 9 points!  Seems like it would spread the wealth and increase the odds of an individual to draw a tag.

Leave the baiting alone.  Not broken.

[boneaddict]

I like idahos system best.  You either put in for OIL or deer and elk.  Can't do both.  No bonus points, though they are pushing for it.  What slays me are people that think that's better, and even more mind boggling, this that think preference points are better. 

[bobcat]

TomT,

I like your idea. That's something I haven't heard before.

Only problem is it could complicate things quite a bit. One issue- what about the group applications? If one person in the group draws another permit, do they eliminate only that person from the group, or throw out the entire application?

[grundy53]

I like idahos system best.  You either put in for OIL or deer and elk.  Can't do both.  No bonus points, though they are pushing for it.  What slays me are people that think that's better, and even more mind boggling, this that think preference points are better.

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[TomT]

Bobcat,

I'm sure there's more than one thing I had not thought of, and I had not thought of that.

I think that the solution to that would be to separate the drawing dates.  Do OIL first, and a month later, do Quality, and so on.   That way a person would know if he was even available for a group hunt.

It would complicate it for WDFW, but lots of states run the draws separately, so it can't be rocket science.

[bobcat]

Bobcat,

I'm sure there's more than one thing I had not thought of, and I had not thought of that.

I think that the solution to that would be to separate the drawing dates.  Do OIL first, and a month later, do Quality, and so on.   That way a person would know if he was even available for a group hunt.

It would complicate it for WDFW, but lots of states run the draws separately, so it can't be rocket science.

Perfect! I like it. There's no reason that couldn't work. WDFW may not like it though, as they'd sell less applications. I guess they'd need to increase the price slightly to make up for it.

[TomT]

I actually don't think they'd sell less applications, because even if you'd already drawn out, you'd still want to build a point in the other categories.

[mfswallace]

  This would prevent a person from drawing two tags and only being able to harvest one animal.

 Simple solution for someone that draws two "like species" permits in the same year, dont apply for more than one, problem solved!

 Ridiculous to change the system over a individuals stupidity, anyone that has fallen into that category has nobody to blame but themselves.

What I don't get is if the state bio's say it's ok to give out so many tags for certain types of animals and someone draws 2 of the approved tags why can't that lucky individual fill both tags ?? Is it cause those complaining are jealous ?

If I draw quality bull and a cow tag why shouldn't I be able to fill both?

[bigtex]

I could get behind a permit system for baiting. $5-$15 seems like a reasonable price. You aren't required to bait so 80-90% of guys won't be effected and if permits are created a monitoring/enforcement program should be funded

Just more money for the general fund.

WDFW license/permit fees don't go into the general fund, they go into the wildlife fund.....

[X-Force]

Drawing System:

Haven't thought it through thoroughly, but my initial thoughts are as follows:

Run the draw in order of difficulty to draw.  For example run the OIL tag draws first.  If you draw one, you are done in the drawing, but will still get points in the other categories.  Maybe draw quality tags next, buck/bull tags after that, antlerless tags next, etc.  If at any point, you draw a tag, you are then done in the drawing. 

This would prevent people from drawing multiple tags in one year and give other people a chance.  I don't know about the rest of you, but I get tired of hearing how lucky other people are in drawing multiple tags (some which cannot be used because they draw multiple tags on the same species), when I cannot even manage to draw a cow tag with 9 points!  Seems like it would spread the wealth and increase the odds of an individual to draw a tag.

Leave the baiting alone.  Not broken.

The likelihood of drawing multiple tags is extremely low. Not drawing a cow tag with 9 points has everything to do with everyone applying for every category and little to do with a handful of people a year drawing multiple tags.

I could get behind a permit system for baiting. $5-$15 seems like a reasonable price. You aren't required to bait so 80-90% of guys won't be effected and if permits are created a monitoring/enforcement program should be funded

Just more money for the general fund.

WDFW license/permit fees don't go into the general fund, they go into the wildlife fund.....

I am all for leaving baiting status quo but if it did go permit I see no problem in a nominal fee.

[bigtex]

#1 $5 permit, WE PAY ENOUGH ALREADY!

There's precedent in other states. Idaho for example has a bear bait permit which is $12.75 and is available only at Idaho Fish & Game offices.

WDFW has adopted several license/permit ideas from other states. Many states before WA had a two pole fishing license endorsement before WDFW finally approved it. California has a "ocean enhancement validation" if you fish south of Santa Barbara County, they just discontinued the "Colorado River Validation," these were in place before WA's "Columbia River Endorsement"

[Bango skank]

  This would prevent a person from drawing two tags and only being able to harvest one animal.

 Simple solution for someone that draws two "like species" permits in the same year, dont apply for more than one, problem solved!

 Ridiculous to change the system over a individuals stupidity, anyone that has fallen into that category has nobody to blame but themselves.

What I don't get is if the state bio's say it's ok to give out so many tags for certain types of animals and someone draws 2 of the approved tags why can't that lucky individual fill both tags ?? Is it cause those complaining are jealous ?

If I draw quality bull and a cow tag why shouldn't I be able to fill both?

Because you didnt draw two tags.  You have one tag, and you drew two permits

[huntnphool]

  This would prevent a person from drawing two tags and only being able to harvest one animal.

 Simple solution for someone that draws two "like species" permits in the same year, dont apply for more than one, problem solved!

 Ridiculous to change the system over a individuals stupidity, anyone that has fallen into that category has nobody to blame but themselves.

What I don't get is if the state bio's say it's ok to give out so many tags for certain types of animals and someone draws 2 of the approved tags why can't that lucky individual fill both tags ?? Is it cause those complaining are jealous ?

If I draw quality bull and a cow tag why shouldn't I be able to fill both?

 That would be a great question for WDFW, but since we all know that it doesn't work that way right now, if you apply for both and draw both, you can't blame anybody but yourself.

[mfswallace]

  This would prevent a person from drawing two tags and only being able to harvest one animal.

 Simple solution for someone that draws two "like species" permits in the same year, dont apply for more than one, problem solved!

 Ridiculous to change the system over a individuals stupidity, anyone that has fallen into that category has nobody to blame but themselves.

What I don't get is if the state bio's say it's ok to give out so many tags for certain types of animals and someone draws 2 of the approved tags why can't that lucky individual fill both tags ?? Is it cause those complaining are jealous ?

If I draw quality bull and a cow tag why shouldn't I be able to fill both?

Because you didnt draw two tags.  You have one tag, and you drew two permits

Your right, but it's just semantics-- Why can't I fill both permits I was drawn for and the state bio's have said those animals are ok to take?  Seems that the state would want those animals their bio's say need to be taken, taken....