Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[JimmyHoffa]

To answer bobcats question I think that the minimum hand gun requirements are ludicrous! And should be completely rethought

An issue with that is if there is an animal that needs a finishing shot.  Would rather just pop off a 9mm in a dying animal than blast it close range with say a .300 RUM.  (I've kind of though a handgun or knife should be legal to finish off with the other weapons too, though.)

[BULLBLASTER]

I just think the .243 does not even put them down as quick as I prefer.

I've personally had more bang flop kills with my 243 than any of my other guns. 

[jay.sharkbait]

I just think the .243 does not even put them down as quick as I prefer.

I've personally had more bang flop kills with my 243 than any of my other guns. 

It might be the shooter?

[dscubame]

I just think the .243 does not even put them down as quick as I prefer.

I've personally had more bang flop kills with my 243 than any of my other guns. 

What bullet?  Barnes and Hornady 95 grain have not bang flopped a one.  I am at dozens of deer, and the last 4 years with a .243 are my last unless there is a compelling thought to reconsider.  I simply don't believe the bang flop comment, for so many reasons first being hydrostatic shock.  Unless your head or spine shooting I have destroyed heart, destroyed lungs and they still go a hundred yards.  Simple fact from much experience

[BULLBLASTER]

I just think the .243 does not even put them down as quick as I prefer.

I've personally had more bang flop kills with my 243 than any of my other guns. 

What bullet?  Barnes and Hornady 95 grain have not bang flopped a one.  I am at dozens of deer, and the last 4 years with a .243 are my last unless there is a compelling thought to reconsider.  I simply don't believe the bang flop comment, for so many reasons first being hydrostatic shock.  Unless your head or spine shooting I have destroyed heart, destroyed lungs and they still go a hundred yards.  Simple fact from much experience

95 ballistic tips and 90 accubonds and recently 95 bergers
Believe me or not doesn't really matter to me. Take out shoulders and they go down in a hurry

[dscubame]

Ya, I don't take shoulder shots just because there is already so little meat on the little buggers I don't want there to be even less.  Fair enough and your lack of caring comment goes both ways.  Jeeez

[BULLBLASTER]

I just think the .243 does not even put them down as quick as I prefer.

I've personally had more bang flop kills with my 243 than any of my other guns. 

It might be the shooter?

I don't know if I am anything special when it comes to marksmanship...  but I sure try, and burn a good amount of powder each year!

[Curly]

I had a bang flop experience on an antelope I shot with a 64 gr bullet out of a .223 wssm.  And when I say bang flop, I mean I pulled the trigger and it flopped over dead on its back with all four legs straight up in the air.  It was about a 200 yard shot.

[Bofire]

  every deer and every coyote that I have shot with my 243, 100 grain Federal blue Box, has been bang flop, out to 338 yards.
Carl

[Smoke]

caliber changes don't make sense... yes a .223 can kill deer... (wouldn't want to try it with Elk tho).. but a .22 short, unless a perfect shot won't... if you want rule changes to use smaller calibers, go for something that actually makes sense, and has a possibility of passing... something like a minimum muzzle energy

[bobcat]

http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/hunting/deer-hunting/deer-hunting-gear/how-about-223-whitetail-hunting-it-big-enough

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/ammo-test-223-rem-vs-3030-whitetails

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2011/5/20/the-myth-the-223-is-too-light-for-deer/

http://www.kansas.com/sports/outdoors/michael-pearce/article6094005.html

[boneaddict]

Back to basics....why can't we use a spear in Washington?  Other states you can

[Lefthook]

Back to basics....why can't we use a spear in Washington?  Other states you can

I think a special frying pan permit should be available. A beautiful buck with super thick bases, giant girth and wide spread 6x6 taken by frying pan would be a serious trophy. Full shoulder mount with the spent frying pan on a plaque under the mount would be hard to beat.

[Branden]

Certain arguments in this thread about a kid being to small to use a .243 so we should legalize a .223 is ridiculous. Since my boy can't pull the minimum required draw weight we should lower that also right? And the fact that you can throw a muzzle break on a .243 and then it's even less recoil then a .223 makes using a .223 because of kick moot.

A marginal shot with a .223 is going to have less chance of recovery then a marginal shot with a .243 and so on. Nobody plans on making a marginal shot but it happens all the time.

My grandpa used to talk about using a .22 in the old days and filling half the freezers in town every year. It still doesn't mean we should use a .22 just because it will work in the right hands.

I would think there are a lot more things to worry about/spend resources on in this state then to try and get the minimum caliber changed.

Regards, Branden

[elkaholic123]

Certain arguments in this thread about a kid being to small to use a .243 so we should legalize a .223 is ridiculous. Since my boy can't pull the minimum required draw weight we should lower that also right? And the fact that you can throw a muzzle break on a .243 and then it's even less recoil then a .223 makes using a .223 because of kick moot.

A marginal shot with a .223 is going to have less chance of recovery then a marginal shot with a .243 and so on. Nobody plans on making a marginal shot but it happens all the time.

My grandpa used to talk about using a .22 in the old days and filling half the freezers in town every year. It still doesn't mean we should use a .22 just because it will work in the right hands.

I would think there are a lot more things to worry about/spend resources on in this state then to try and get the minimum caliber changed.

Regards, Branden