I-1639 mega thread

[pianoman9701]

BT, thanks for the info on storage and illegal entry. I want to be sure I know what this means. If my house or car is locked (assuming the firearm is out of sight in the car) and I don't have a gunlock on the firearm, I'm exempted from the gun lock requirement penalties if someone breaks in and steals the firearm. Is that correct, in your opinion?

If you report it stolen within five days of noticing it was stolen, yes.

Right, thanks Bob.

[Fl0und3rz]

Good amount of H-W

Where'd I put that Cartman respect muh authority meme?

[Lincoln4]

My FFL moved to Idaho a month ago.  He saw what was happening in this state and how it was going to affect his business.  My wife is getting closer to changing her mind on staying here.  With I-940 passed, I'm getting closer and closer to retirement...  60 to 40 on both I-1639 and I-940?  This state is lost to the progressives boys and girls.  Move it or lose it!

[Kc_Kracker]

texas almost lost to the dems, cruz squeaked by barely by 2%

[Hi-Liter]

Interesting how some people are already abiding by this intiative even though it hasn’t become Law. And likely when it does a immediate injunction will be filed.

[full choke]

Last night, we were discussing a move to either Austin or Louisville.

My wife is from Austin. Grew up there, went to college there. Her family still lives there. Don't go to Austin. It is Seattle ten years ago. It is following the exact same path. Liberalism, traffic, costs. The Music, and food were exceptional, now getting watered down...

[pianoman9701]

Ok guys here is the enforceable law for the whole "someone stole my gun scenario"

(1) A person who stores or leaves a firearm in a location where the person knows, or reasonably should know, that a prohibited person may gain access to the firearm:
(a) Is guilty of community endangerment due to unsafe storage of a firearm in the first degree if a prohibited person obtains access and possession of the firearm and causes personal injury or death with the firearm; or
(b) Is guilty of community endangerment due to unsafe storage of a firearm in the second degree if a prohibited person obtains access and possession of the firearm and:
(i) Causes the firearm to discharge;
(ii) Carries, exhibits, or displays the firearm in a public place in a manner that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons; or
(iii) Uses the firearm in the commission of a crime.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply if:[/u]
(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.[/color]

Nowhere does it say guns have to be locked up!

Quit playing games.  If you don't want to run afoul of the enforceable provisions, the intention is that you will lock them up.  The law is written so that you are presented with an empty choice.  Comply or risk the consequences.

Isn't that true with any law? Look, I'm considering selling our house and moving to another state after this election and previous ones which show the true colors of this state and its politicians. I voted no on 1639, like most on this forum, if not all. Bigtex is only respectfully interpreting the information from the law to make sure we understand what's in it and how it affects us. We can discuss this without thinking that anyone who disagrees with us is the enemy. He certainly is not that. After such a hugely crappy political season, with more to come, I suggest that we tone down the rhetoric toward each other and form our responses around this topic in such a way that we assume good intent on the part of those with whom we may not agree.

[Special T]

This does actually surprise me, a teeny tiny bit, since ALL law enforcement agencies opposed this.  However, WHERE WERE THE ADDS OPPOSING IT STATING THAT FACT?

The NRA had them all over Facebook. 2c

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[Molon5labe]

I'll see ya in 30 years or so

[Fl0und3rz]

BT, thanks for the info on storage and illegal entry. I want to be sure I know what this means. If my house or car is locked (assuming the firearm is out of sight in the car) and I don't have a gunlock on the firearm, I'm exempted from the gun lock requirement penalties if someone breaks in and steals the firearm. Is that correct, in your opinion?

If you report it stolen within five days of noticing it was stolen, yes.

Right, thanks Bob.

Unless an overzealous prosecutor, as a political statement, wants to use you as political statement that he is tough on gun owners and imputes to you that you "reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken" more than five days before your teport, which renders that safe harbor unavailable.

But hey, that kind of LE political witch hunting never happens, right?  *coughs*  Mueller *coughs*

Any attorney worth his salt will tell you not to trust LE to tell you what the law is.  They are not acting in your best interest.

[Special T]

I was quite amazed at the low turn out % in Skagit county. 16.5%

http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/Turnout.html

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[Fl0und3rz]

Just one more thing to make honest people outlaws!

Same thing I've been thinking

This IS the point.  To make compliance with all gun laws so overburdensome as to make you throw up your hands and give up on your 2A rights.  It is sad that you get a couple of "experts" telling you "trust us," "it's for your own good."

[weatherbow21]

See ya 

[Hi-Liter]

BT, thanks for the info on storage and illegal entry. I want to be sure I know what this means. If my house or car is locked (assuming the firearm is out of sight in the car) and I don't have a gunlock on the firearm, I'm exempted from the gun lock requirement penalties if someone breaks in and steals the firearm. Is that correct, in your opinion?

If you report it stolen within five days of noticing it was stolen, yes.

Right, thanks Bob.

Unless an overzealous prosecutor, as a political statement wants to use you as political statement that he is tough on gun owners and imputes to you that you "reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken" more than five days before your teport, which renders that safe harbor unavailable.

But hey, that kind of LE political witch hunting never happens, right?  *coughs*  Mueller *coughs*

Any attorney worth his salt will tell you not to trust LE to tell you what the law is.  They are not acting in your best interest.

We all know police officers never lie and police are lawyers

[pianoman9701]

Last night, we were discussing a move to either Austin or Louisville.

My wife is from Austin. Grew up there, went to college there. Her family still lives there. Don't go to Austin. It is Seattle ten years ago. It is following the exact same path. Liberalism, traffic, costs. The Music, and food were exceptional, now getting watered down...

Yeah, we're leaning more toward KY. By the way, Austin's fine dining scene is one of the most vibrant and growing in the country.