Permit quotas

[Karl Blanchard]

@MFowler I hear you and agree to an extent.  I don't even deer hunt in this state and I havent for a few years.  Doesnt mean I'm giving up on it though.  You can enjoy greener pastures while still trying to cultivate and nurture your own pasture back to health can you not?

I am as frustrated as anyone on this forum! I've got max points for everything but elk and moose! I guess taking my all and going home isn't something I'm very good at.

Coach has a saying....."the result of doing nothing is nothing". Complaining on the internet is the same as doing nothing.

[dvolmer]

Once I was pissed about this state and their game management, then I got over it...hell I almost understood why it was so difficult for them to NOT DECIMATE the Kahlotus deer herd.

The elk permit quotas...I'm not sure I can get over this. Like seriously I'm formulating a plan to get the hell out, burn points on lesser hunts or no hunts...I'm DEAD SERIOUS.

:yeah:I've been considering this since I had 10 points, now at 24 points, I really want out.  Once drawn, I'm done.

I have 28 points and my odds are so bad that I always include a buddy on my app because the odds between 28 and 17 points are pretty much equally a crap burrito sandwich!!

Entries in the pot with 28 points is 784.  Entries in the pot with 17 points is 289.  Yes the odds are terrible, but you would have twice the chance of drawing with your 28 instead of the 17.  On top of that, if you entered with your 28 points and 784 entries and your buddy put in with his assumed 17 points and 289 entries that would give the two of you 1073 entries that ONE of you (not both) would get drawn.  That is what we do.  We all put in separately because getting a super quality tag ever so often is better than all of us getting it the same year and trying to fill the all of the tags with quality animals.  When one draws the entire group can help him or her have the hunt of a lifetime.  Now with all of that said, if there are very many quality animals left on public land in Washington is open for debate.  I'm still in that out of state is where you need to go but that can be tough too if you don't have good options and info.

[Mr Mykiss]

All boils down to the fact that any quality tag in WA is OIL so...eff it. a great hunt with a buddy by my side is worth the 5% sacrifice in odds. IMHO

[trophyhunt]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area. 

[Stein]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area.

Not buying licenses is something you can do.

[elkrack]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area.

Not buying licenses is something you can do.

Jerry has to many points not to buy licenses 

[Karl Blanchard]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area.

Not buying licenses is something you can do.

but how will that help?  Everyone tosses that out but how would that help?

[Karl Blanchard]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area.

Not buying licenses is something you can do.

Jerry has to many points not to buy licenses 

Jerry's points mean very little for the tags he's been trying to get.  I've been telling him he's a John Denver loving idiot for a few years now for not looking at some other weapon/gmu options

[Stein]

I’ve attended a meeting, made several phone calls to talk to Wdfw, bitching is about all we can do.  At those meetings you just get a chance to vent, Wdfw has already made up their minds, they just want us to think they care about our concerns. I’m ok with the bitching, plenty of reasons to.  I still haven’t heard a better solution to manage the tribes other than to open up the seasons in the Yakima area to all weapons to any deer/elk sept-feb!  You know dang well they will want to talk when all the elk and deer are gone in that area.

Not buying licenses is something you can do.

but how will that help?  Everyone tosses that out but how would that help?

When you buy a license, that gives WDFW money to spend on stuff like the destruction of waterfowl habitat, salaries and in general supports their mission.

Without hunters and fishermen, there would be no WDFW, a fact they ignore today.

The way I see it is the only two options to bring about change are to pull funding or start suing them like most other groups.

We have all been to the meetings and the decisions are made and they are just there to check some boxes and lie in reports about getting feedback and buy-in.  Writing letters, calling your congressmen and hoping the new director will change things simply won't work in this state.

[Mr Mykiss]

but how will that help?  Everyone tosses that out but how would that help?

I dunno...march on Olympia? I think that would only work (AKA, get our voices heard and a news story or three)
I think it'd only work if there were like 2,000 of us

If we hit 2,000 I'll happily get arrested for "willful insubordination" or whatever it is they'll hit me with for carrying my sign and screaming...

[2MANY]

People don't even turn their head for this behavior in Olympia any longer.
Screaming like an entitled trust funder is all the norm in the capitol city these days.

You can thank The Evergreen State Collage and all the liberalness it has brought.

[jstone]

The only way it would change is get the politics out of it and go back to sportsman running it. People who know what they are doing

[Skyvalhunter]

Coach has a saying....."the result of doing nothing is nothing". Complaining on the internet is the same as doing nothing.

But it does the same amount of good to complain on the internet as it does to e-mail, go to meetings, contact your Rep, whatever. WHY? Because they have their minds made up way before you open your mouth and say one word. They ask for public input per the WAC's but no where in there does is say they have to adhere to that input. People will just get upset sooner or later and say F%#@ it!!

[fishngamereaper]

Anyone that wants to stop buying license's as a power play move to force the state manage our resources better ever stop to think that maybe that's what the state wants. It's not like  the state is going to beg people to buy license's.  They will find ways to bring in revenue or reduce the need for revenue by cutting opportunities / access etc.

[MtnMuley]

Coach has a saying....."the result of doing nothing is nothing". Complaining on the internet is the same as doing nothing.

But it does the same amount of good to complain on the internet as it does to e-mail, go to meetings, contact your Rep, whatever. WHY? Because they have their minds made up way before you open your mouth and say one word. They ask for public input per the WAC's but no where in there does is say they have to adhere to that input. People will just get upset sooner or later and say F%#@ it!!

That's exactly what I have done, because attending meetings, sending emails, and presenting logical facts based on true observations over thousands of hours in the field is meaningless when their true agenda is already made up.  I understand that might be selfish for future generations, which I've vest a lot of time in, but that's the stance I'm taking these days.  It's flat out not going to get better folks unless a WDFW is wiped clean of the "trash" in there now.