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Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« on: September 13, 2019, 12:32:06 PM »
I went hunting yesterday in Weyerhaeuser through the Delezene Creek entrance near Elma. I parked about a 100 yards from a clearing and started walking. I heard a vehicle coming up behind me, turned around and it was a late 80's white Ford van. They slowed down to the same pace I was walking about 10 ft. behind me. I put my hand under my shirt on my .357. They never saw my revolver. It was a white couple about 65 yrs old. They laughed at me then sped off right into the clearing. Any deer in there were now gone. Saw a side road and decided to walk down it. I was gone from my Jeep for about a 45 minutes. When I got back, there was a 10 inch crack on my windshield. Wasn't there when I left my Jeep. After I drove off, my brakes started getting squishy. I got out and checked my fluid, looked underneath for leaks, didn't find anything. Happened two more times, checked again, didn't notice anything. Being up on a hill with squishy brakes, I decided to call it a day. Started down the hill I got two pumps and my brakes were gone. I put it in 1st to slow down then went into a small ditch to stop. Looked underneath again and someone loosened my brake hose on my right front caliper. Then I noticed my right front shock hanging down. Both bolts were gone. No way all 3 things happened buy chance at the same time. I took some bolts of my cargo rack and got my shock reattached. Put the Jeep in 4-wheel low and crawled down the hill. Made it into Elma to get some brake fluid at a gas station. I reported this to Weyerhaeuser, waiting to hear back from them.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2019, 12:36:30 PM »
I Hope you reported to Weyco and Police

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2019, 12:47:00 PM »
Typical liberal trash.. You could have killed yourself or someone else. The indiscriminate damage to people that could have happened is like that of bombs.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2019, 12:57:06 PM »
Wow, glad you are okay. Thanks for spreading the word. Hopefully they get whats coming to them.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2019, 01:03:47 PM »
Wow - hopefully Karma will catch up to the flakes.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2019, 01:05:01 PM »
They did commit a crime, Id set them up and catch them red handed and make sure they pay immensly......

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2019, 01:25:49 PM »
Glad you are okay.

I've tried to make it a habit of taking pictures of license plates that are parked where I'm at, or in your case, as they drove by, especially if they seem shady, for this exact reason. Gives police something substantial to work with especially if these law breakers try it again.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2019, 01:33:00 PM »
Glad you're OK. 

People suck.  And +1 for reporting it to the police, even if you don't have any hard evidence to give them.  The existence of a report alone can have an effect on their patrol decisions, etc, so it wouldn't hurt. 
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2019, 02:24:34 PM »
Glad you are okay.

I've tried to make it a habit of taking pictures of license plates that are parked where I'm at, or in your case, as they drove by, especially if they seem shady, for this exact reason. Gives police something substantial to work with especially if these law breakers try it again.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing you can do! 2 reasons... 1 it documents who is where near you, 2 when you are deliberate and they see you taking thier pic  they will be less likely to pull stuff
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2019, 03:48:17 PM »
Yikes!!  Glad you are ok.  Thanks for letting people on here know.  I don't hunt there but if I did, I would really watch out.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 04:15:11 PM »
That's crazy, and scary! Why in the world would they pull the shock bolts. And if it was anything like the last few sets of shocks I've replaced without air tools, he probably left a blood trail! :chuckle:
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 07:23:27 PM »
Man, having just swapped struts I cannot imagine willingly spending that much effort messing with someone else's stuff. Sorry to hear that happened and that you didnt put your car off the road.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2019, 07:29:59 PM »
I also hunt in there and if I see a vehicle matching that description I'll get a picture of the plates, just in case. Thanks for sharing this.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2019, 08:48:40 PM »
Trail cam when you park your rig  :tup: sometimes not a spot to hide it but more times then not there’s plenty of ways to get creative

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2019, 10:59:37 PM »
My husband works in there often he said he will keep a look out. He mentioned the delzene gate is left open a lot and he thinks they probably don't have a key.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2019, 07:34:17 AM »
My husband works in there often he said he will keep a look out. He mentioned the delzene gate is left open a lot and he thinks they probably don't have a key.

I was wondering about that because I don't remember seeing the permit tag hanging from the mirror.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2019, 07:39:10 AM »
That's crazy, and scary! Why in the world would they pull the shock bolts. And if it was anything like the last few sets of shocks I've replaced without air tools, he probably left a blood trail! :chuckle:

The shocks on my Cherokee are really easy to replace. One bolt that goes through the wheel well and two that bolt to a bracket on my axle. With a crescent wrench and a socket, I could loosen my brake hose and taken both bolts out in under 4 minutes.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2019, 07:43:49 AM »
I really don't think they were trying to kill me or else they just would have cut the brake line. I think the loosened the brake hose so my brakes would get squishy, I would get out and look and I would notice the shock hanging down and leave the woods that day to make repairs. The only reason they sped up past me walking was to scare any deer that would have been in that clearing.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2019, 11:16:26 AM »
It not what you think, it is what they did, intent to cause bodily harm, main or kill.  I personally believe that they do this premeditated which can lead to a more serious jail time.  Also they broke federal law harassing hunter and wild game during hunting season, which also carries a very stiff fine and or jail time.  Please file a report with the sherif office, next time they might kill someone, like a father and his young son. 
These people think they are above the law and will continue to do this untill stopped by the authorities
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2019, 11:42:32 AM »
It not what you think, it is what they did, intent to cause bodily harm, main or kill.  I personally believe that they do this premeditated which can lead to a more serious jail time.  Also they broke federal law harassing hunter and wild game during hunting season, which also carries a very stiff fine and or jail time.  Please file a report with the sherif office, next time they might kill someone, like a father and his young son. 
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2019, 02:21:27 PM »
Scary stuff.  I agree with taking pics, especially if people are acting weird or aggressive towards you. 

As far as scaring off the deer, I'm not so sure about that one.  I think if you had just given it a half hour, everything would be as it was.   The deer see/hear people doing crazy stuff in vehicles all the time. It is a part of their daily lives this time of year. I don't think they get up and run if they are already hidden.  Plenty of clear cut hunters attest to the fact that rigs coming and going from the cuts don't often move the deer out.  They just remain motionless and let the intrusion pass.  A little patience and the woods return to normal pretty quickly.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2019, 02:30:28 PM »
Scary stuff.  I agree with taking pics, especially if people are acting weird or aggressive towards you. 

As far as scaring off the deer, I'm not so sure about that one.  I think if you had just given it a half hour, everything would be as it was.   The deer see/hear people doing crazy stuff in vehicles all the time. It is a part of their daily lives this time of year. I don't think they get up and run if they are already hidden.  Plenty of clear cut hunters attest to the fact that rigs coming and going from the cuts don't often move the deer out.  They just remain motionless and let the intrusion pass.  A little patience and the woods return to normal pretty quickly.

Sorry you're day got ruined.  Good job getting home safe.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2019, 05:01:51 PM »
I constantly run into anti-hunting folks out in Vail, but rarely anything like that. It's normally just a sideways look or a snide comment while passing.

I will caution anyone who want's to take pictures of a vehicle while you're out there though. I did that about 5 years ago while hiking/rabbit hunting with the dog. We were only about a mile back and I watched a little blue Toyota wheel around the gate and come in. I kept walking and we were closer to 3 miles in but on the way out when that same truck came up behind us. I thought I'd just snap a picture of their plate when they drove by and report it to WeyCo later, but they saw my phone in my hand when they drove past.

They drove about 50 yards ahead and then stopped and two guys and a dog got out. Because of the terrain, there was no good way to get around them so I continued walking forward until they were about 20 yards away. They asked why I took the picture and I explained that I take pictures of all the vehicles I see back there outside of permit season (this was before the year round access keys), but I told them it doesn't since they must have had a key to get through the gate. They said that they saw me on the hill watching them as they drove around the gate and that I was going to have to delete that picture or give them my phone. At this point one of them was walking closer with his dog while the other sat on the tailgate of the truck cutting an apple with a knife. I asked him and his dog to stay back a little ways and to please grab his dog's collar. The man with the knife got off the back of the truck and moved forward as well, knife still in hand. They wanted to know about my dog (a WPG), saying she's pretty small and not much of a guard dog. I asked them both again to stay back and hold the dog's collar and to put the knife back on the tailgate of the truck. The guy with the knife said he just wanted to offer me a piece of his apple, that's the only reason he was coming closer. After explaining that I have plenty of supplies in my pack, I said that the dog and I were going to keep walking out now if they would go ahead and let us pass by. I asked them to give us a 10 minute head start so that their truck wouldn't spook off any rabbits along the way. They responded "No problem, we'll catch up to in a couple minutes then".

Once I got around a corner and out of site the dog and I stepped off the road and followed an old game trail that loops around the pond and well clear of the road. It took about 2 hours for us to get back to the truck because of the detour, and when I got there my truck had been broken into and my registration pulled from my glove box. There was a note written on a piece of paper and left on my seat that said "We'll see you soon". The sheriff and WeyCo were called and given descriptions of the vehicle with the plate # as well as descriptions of the two people. I never heard any more from the sheriff and I haven't seen that vehicle in this area since.

Here's the most important part of that whole encounter, I never go out in the woods unarmed. And I'm not just talking about carrying concealed, I always have a handgun clearly visible on my hip or attached to my pack. On that particular day I was carrying a 7.5" barreled 480 Ruger, which is a difficult gun to miss, in addition to having a rifle (a little CZ 527) stuffed into my Eberlestock and clearly visible. These two guys were willing to confront me knowing that I was armed, just because I took their picture. I don't take pictures of people out in the woods anymore, whether I'm alone or with somebody else. I keep a pen and note pad in my pack and readily accessible to write down descriptions of people or vehicles as soon as they're out of site. I'm very capable of defending myself in just about any situation, but some times it's just not worth it.

Just something to consider. :twocents:
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2019, 06:25:26 PM »
Dang Yorke!  That’s some scary stuff!

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2019, 06:31:27 PM »
I constantly run into anti-hunting folks out in Vail, but rarely anything like that. It's normally just a sideways look or a snide comment while passing.

I will caution anyone who want's to take pictures of a vehicle while you're out there though. I did that about 5 years ago while hiking/rabbit hunting with the dog. We were only about a mile back and I watched a little blue Toyota wheel around the gate and come in. I kept walking and we were closer to 3 miles in but on the way out when that same truck came up behind us. I thought I'd just snap a picture of their plate when they drove by and report it to WeyCo later, but they saw my phone in my hand when they drove past.

They drove about 50 yards ahead and then stopped and two guys and a dog got out. Because of the terrain, there was no good way to get around them so I continued walking forward until they were about 20 yards away. They asked why I took the picture and I explained that I take pictures of all the vehicles I see back there outside of permit season (this was before the year round access keys), but I told them it doesn't since they must have had a key to get through the gate. They said that they saw me on the hill watching them as they drove around the gate and that I was going to have to delete that picture or give them my phone. At this point one of them was walking closer with his dog while the other sat on the tailgate of the truck cutting an apple with a knife. I asked him and his dog to stay back a little ways and to please grab his dog's collar. The man with the knife got off the back of the truck and moved forward as well, knife still in hand. They wanted to know about my dog (a WPG), saying she's pretty small and not much of a guard dog. I asked them both again to stay back and hold the dog's collar and to put the knife back on the tailgate of the truck. The guy with the knife said he just wanted to offer me a piece of his apple, that's the only reason he was coming closer. After explaining that I have plenty of supplies in my pack, I said that the dog and I were going to keep walking out now if they would go ahead and let us pass by. I asked them to give us a 100 minute head start so that their truck wouldn't spook off any rabbits along the way. They responded "No problem, we'll catch up to in a couple minutes then".

Once I got around a corner and out of site the dog and I stepped off the road and followed an old game trail that loops around the pond and well clear of the road. It took about 2 hours for us to get back to the truck because of the detour, and when I got there my truck had been broken into and my registration pulled from my glove box. There was a note written on a piece of paper and left on my seat that said "We'll see you soon". The sheriff and WeyCo were called and given descriptions of the vehicle with the plate # as well as descriptions of the two people. I never heard any more from the sheriff and I haven't seen that vehicle in this area since.

Here's the most important part of that whole encounter, I never go out in the woods unarmed. And I'm not just talking about carrying concealed, I always have a handgun clearly visible on my hip or attached to my pack. On that particular day I was carrying a 7.5" barreled 480 Ruger, which is a difficult gun to miss, in addition to having a rifle (a little CZ 527) stuffed into my Eberlestock and clearly visible. These two guys were willing to confront me knowing that I was armed, just because I took their picture. I don't take pictures of people out in the woods anymore, whether I'm alone or with somebody else. I keep a pen and note pad in my pack and readily accessible to write down descriptions of people or vehicles as soon as they're out of site. I'm very capable of defending myself in just about any situation, but some times it's just not worth it.

Just something to consider. :twocents:

When the guy with knife approached, were you ready to defend yourself? Did he have the drop on you or couldntou have accessed your handgun?

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2019, 07:10:56 PM »

When the guy with knife approached, were you ready to defend yourself? Did he have the drop on you or couldntou have accessed your handgun?

Yes, I would have been able to get an aimed shot off. I carry most of my handguns in a cross draw belt holster while I’m in the woods because it’s a much faster draw when a target of opportunity like a rabbit or coyote runs out. I was standing with my arms loosely crossed which allows for a quick draw without being in an aggressive stance which would have only escalated the situation more.  I’m not foolish enough to believe that I could come out ahead against 2 people and a mid sized dog at 15 yards. As much as I love my dog, she has the protective instincts of a guinea pig. I’d be safer walking with a cat on a leash. :chuckle:

It was a poor decision to put myself in that position by trying to take a picture of their vehicle to begin with. I could have accomplished the same thing by writing down the info once I was out of sight and avoided the confrontation entirely. If they were an obvious and immediate threat to somebody’s safety it would be different, but they weren’t a threat to anyone until I engaged them. 
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2019, 07:46:22 PM »

When the guy with knife approached, were you ready to defend yourself? Did he have the drop on you or couldntou have accessed your handgun?

Yes, I would have been able to get an aimed shot off. I carry most of my handguns in a cross draw belt holster while I’m in the woods because it’s a much faster draw when a target of opportunity like a rabbit or coyote runs out. I was standing with my arms loosely crossed which allows for a quick draw without being in an aggressive stance which would have only escalated the situation more.  I’m not foolish enough to believe that I could come out ahead against 2 people and a mid sized dog at 15 yards. As much as I love my dog, she has the protective instincts of a guinea pig. I’d be safer walking with a cat on a leash. :chuckle:

It was a poor decision to put myself in that position by trying to take a picture of their vehicle to begin with. I could have accomplished the same thing by writing down the info once I was out of sight and avoided the confrontation entirely. If they were an obvious and immediate threat to somebody’s safety it would be different, but they weren’t a threat to anyone until I engaged them.

Love your answer. You were ready for battle. Everyone always needs to be ready for battle. I think you handled the situation very well. You didnt want a fight but were ready to bleed. Damn I like people ready to take care of business with punks like those two.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2019, 07:55:32 PM »
Trouble isn’t hard to find
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2019, 09:42:18 PM »
Wow that's a hell of a story.

Well, to contrast that, I had multiple run-ins this evening with other hunters out at Aberdeen Weyco and they were all really pleasant. Happy folks willing to talk about their seasons and offer me tips on access.
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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2019, 02:55:10 PM »
that was an uncomfortable story to read York, I can only imagine being in your shoes. I had never thought about someone stopping to confront you for taking a photo

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2019, 05:05:26 PM »
The “typical liberal trash” comment is hard for me to read. This attitude isn’t helping anything, and unless they had  a bunch of greenpeace stickers on the van IronMike’s anti comment is pure speculation. That said, this action is complete B.S. and extremely dangerous

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2019, 06:59:41 PM »
Glad your ok. Sucks to say but be diligent out there fellas.

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Re: Possible Anti-Hunters in Weyerhaeuser.
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2019, 07:53:09 PM »
Man, hate to hear that. Infuriating!  Unfortunately it's probably only going to get worse for all of us in the years to come.  I might have to start putting a trail camera out where I park in case some *censored*es sabotage my truck.

 


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