2022 Permit Returned

[mossback91]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I’ll be curious to see what they have to say.

[Rainier10]

I drew the Blue Mtn. Foothills Late Muzzy tag, the Blue Creek Muzzy tag and a Blue Creek Antlerless tag.

So, I called to see if I could surrender two of them and just keep the late tag. I did this thinking it would free those up for others to be awarded. I was sad to find out that while I can get my points back if i surrender those tags, nobody else will draw them. So, I took 3 tags out of the pool and will only be keeping one. Kind of a bummer it goes like that. Wonder how often that happens?

Just pulled this quote from @CoryTDF that he posted in a different thread.

[MtnMuley]

That had me confused as the ewe tag I got the call on being next in line wasn't an OIL tag. Wondering if I hot the call because of the MOVI issue and they wanted all those extra ewe tags that year to be filled.

If that's the case that the returned tags won't be given to another person, I think we need to group up and make a point to WDFW that either we go back to the days of no returns or they have an alternate list per species. I know I have a couple tags to return back this year and it disgusts me if this is true that I took ⁷a chance away from somebody else and that's not right. I wouldn't have done both categories with the points I had if it were like the past.

[Rainier10]

That’s what I think. It’s double screwing those that didn’t draw.

First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.

Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.

[jackelope]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?

[Ghost Hunter]

Where is the written rule for returning permits?  Can't find it in the regs.  Link?

[Clearcut]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?

Not at all. Apply for them but be prepared to lose your points for every draw you get. Not like the point system works well anyway but giving back points for people to return a tag for any reason at all seems odd.

[pickardjw]

Where is the written rule for returning permits?  Can't find it in the regs.  Link?

On pg 16

[bobcat]

It would be extra work for them to issue returned permits to other people and no revenue to make it worth it for them to do so. I'm not saying this is how it should be, but just that it's probably the way the department sees it.

Also, it's not really something that should even be considered when a permit is returned only two weeks before the season starts. That's just not enough time. If permits were to be re-issued to another person, then the deadline for returning them should be more like two months before the season starts, not two weeks.

[Meow]

That’s what I think. It’s double screwing those that didn’t draw.

First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.

Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.

It is infuriating that they don't just pass the tag onto a runner up and still allow its return for restoration of points. The department should keep records of the runners up and contact them to offer the tags that were returned.

Why allow the return of a "product" that you're just going to burn up or throw in the trash instead of sell to a different consumer?

[BULLBLASTER]

This is language taken directly from the WAC. WAC220-412-080

 successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued

[WSU]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

[MeepDog]

It blows my mind that people thought this was a good idea. Sure the animal will still be in the system but if you draw you had your chance and should lose your points. I don't care if the world ends, your points should be gone. These days everybody wants to cry when it doesn't go perfectly their way.

On a positive note maybe with all these turned in tags the cow/doe harvest will be lower.

[pickardjw]

Well that settles that then.

I assume they just go next in line.

[bigtex]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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