More special privileges

[Skyvalhunter]

Eliminating native hunting hunting will most likely never happen. They have more history/tradition in their defense. I wouldnt say that natives are that good of a ally for non native hunting rights. It would be nice though if they practiced more conservation in their hunting/fishing practices. IMO

[HillHound]

Well 50% of 0 is still 0 so the natives opportunities WILL go down and that is a fact if our game commission continues down the path to ungulate herd decimation. They may laugh at us now but nobody will be laughing but these Inslee loving animal hating gun control nuts when there is nothing left to hunt.

[trophyelk6x6]

50% partners with tribes really isn't 50/50.  The tribes have seasons, long and include the rut.  They likely fill their 50%.  Non tribal allocations seem to be designed to fill much less than their 50%.  Same for fishing unfortunately.  On another note i was just down in Quilomene and seen a massive herd already down there.  I notice the green dot roads are not closed for a while even though these elk are clearly in winter range mode.  I was told it's because some hunting seasons are not over yet.  Who is lucky enough to have a tag right now?

[time2hunt]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.

Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:

Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.

Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.

And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez?   Really?

Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.


And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it.   Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.

Well said. 

or maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!

I asked straightforward questions:

* Do you have any proof that they offroaded?
* Do you have any direct knowledge of how many animals were taken to back up the allegation of wiping out the herd?
* Would anyone be excited by an elk track on the reservation?

Why not simply answer my questions?
Why the need to call names and throw out insults?

The topic of this thread was the recent Hanford hunt, not a bunch of bulls someone shot.
I don't know why you feel the need to drag that into this thread, when he said he wasn't even part of this hunt.

So, will you answer direct questions, or only throw out insults?

Dan-O
 Come over one weekend or even a week day and sit on the whiskey dick ridge or the old brushy ridge road to the wheat fields. And your questions will be answered.


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[Tbar]

It's crazy how numbers do not represent all of what seem to know.  The herd numbers seem stable to increasing with exception to 18, 19 and 20 when mild winters seem to cause some panic.  Harvest numbers are consistent,  trophy quality is there. This is with complete separation of wildlife from historic and critical winter habitat in favor of ag production.  Sprinkle in some really aggressive wildlife agriculture damage prevention in the past and still the elk are there and doing okay.  Remember the herd objectives are set to limit ag damage and social tolerance with habitat being a low ranking criteria.  So if herd numbers are within those parameters what else is it than jealousy? This hunt may not open doors but I guarantee not having it keeps them closed.

[Rainier10]

 

[BUTTER]

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.html

[Tbar]

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.html

2011, intentional act to get to today.  RIP

[fishngamereaper]

Trying to stay accurately informed.
What's the annual harvest limit for elk for Yakima tribal members. (Individual)
And do they self impose total harvest limits per gmu.

[Dan-o]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.

Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:

Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.

Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.

And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez?   Really?

Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.


And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it.   Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.

Well said. 

or maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!

I asked straightforward questions:

* Do you have any proof that they offroaded?
* Do you have any direct knowledge of how many animals were taken to back up the allegation of wiping out the herd?
* Would anyone be excited by an elk track on the reservation?

Why not simply answer my questions?
Why the need to call names and throw out insults?

The topic of this thread was the recent Hanford hunt, not a bunch of bulls someone shot.
I don't know why you feel the need to drag that into this thread, when he said he wasn't even part of this hunt.

So, will you answer direct questions, or only throw out insults?

Dan-O
 Come over one weekend or even a week day and sit on the whiskey dick ridge or the old brushy ridge road to the wheat fields. And your questions will be answered.


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It's some of my favorite territory.   Some of my best hunting memories happened right there.
I try to spend as much time up and around there as possible.
If you see a dark Blue H3 with a Bigfoot sticker in the back window, wave me down.   I'll buy you a nonalcoholic beverage  (since I don't tend to travel with beer in my cooler).

I'm not at all OK with the status quo.
It's amazing country, and it is being abused.
But what I'm after is factual data, not inuendo and name calling.

For instance, the source I trust the most said that the hunters on Hanford parked in a designated parking area and did not go wheeling or chasing elk across sensitive soils.    But then people post about the hunters tearing up the sensitive soil area.     It's not too much to ask for proof when such allegations are made.

[Rainier10]

There seems to be a lot of questions and comments that don’t relate to this thread at all.

There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.

The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.

I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.

I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.

I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.

There is a very select group within a select group participating.

I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?

It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.

[KFhunter]

There seems to be a lot of questions and comments that don’t relate to this thread at all.

There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.

The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.

I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.

I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.

I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.

There is a very select group within a select group participating.

I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?

It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.

*If* there’s an upside it’s that maybe someday the jerky sellers will move to Rattlesnake and give units open to “us” a little bit of breathing room.

[ipkus]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

[JimmyHoffa]

There seems to be a lot of questions and comments that don’t relate to this thread at all.

There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.

The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.

I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.

I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.

I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.

There is a very select group within a select group participating.

I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?

Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?

It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.

*If* there’s an upside it’s that maybe someday the jerky sellers will move to Rattlesnake and give units open to “us” a little bit of breathing room.

I'd guess they will hunt the units open to all before and during the season, then go to their special area after all the other units close.

[KFhunter]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

Can you blame them? 

It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.