More special privileges

[trophyhunt]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

BINGO!!!

[Whitefoot]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

Can you blame them? 

It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.

Wow!  an how do you know this?

[Whitefoot]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

lol. pumping money into politicians?   Ok!

[fishngamereaper]

I think it's an important part of the conversation if they are being tasked or working with wdfw to manage this herd because it's over capacity what are their management practices for other herds.

And if it's not about management and just a hunt because they can then say that.

But the idea that native opportunity leads to non native opportunity is something that's hard to grasp for me...I've been hunting 300 series gmu's for over 30 years and the non native opportunities keep dwindling.

I'm not against the hunt just looking for someone to tell it like it's.

Kinda like the dozens of my tribal buddies that constantly rub it in my face that they have very liberal "seasons" for fishing and shellfish...

[trophyhunt]

Some good points, opening the unit to natives may lead to opening it up for non natives, that would be good. But when people say if you had the same rights you’d do the same, that’s where I don’t agree.  To my core I don’t like to waste game, I’ve had/have open tags but when the freezer is full from myself or the wife, I’m done. Of course I have friends and family that say they’ll take my animal if I keep hunting, it just doesn’t feel right to me. Just because you/they can, doesn’t mean it’s right or it helps the herds. The Hanford herd may need to be thinned, hopefully they add non native tags soon.

[KFhunter]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

Can you blame them? 

It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.

Wow!  an how do you know this?

https://www.fec.gov/updates/fec-clarifies-rules-on-contributions-from-indian-tribes/

[Buzzsaw461]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

lol. pumping money into politicians?   Ok!

Tribes gave $650,000 to Gregoire to kill the casino compact  that would have benefited the whole state

[Rainier10]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.

I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.

No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.

I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.

[KFhunter]

I got paywalled but I think it’s here https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-tribes-find-new-energy-to-vote-in-2020-election-pour-campaign-cash-into-races/

[Whitefoot]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.

The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along.  Our society is screwed…

Can you blame them? 

It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.

Wow!  an how do you know this?

https://www.fec.gov/updates/fec-clarifies-rules-on-contributions-from-indian-tribes/

Thanks!

[KFhunter]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.

I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.

No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.

I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.

Drive around off-roading in your 4x4 illegally, fill the bed with big bulls you have no tags for, and turn yourself in for your own special privilege?  Might work?

I jest, you’d be crucified

[MeepDog]

My problem with the whole thing is simple;  if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members.  Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.

This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.

I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.

No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.

I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.

This is well said. It could be similar to the potholes, where natives can hunt but at least the potholes has a draw opportunity for the average Joe who doesn't have extra rights. It would be a great way to add another hunt to spread the point distribution out. You could easily have 30+ permits of all sorts out there.

[WSU]

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.html

2011, intentional act to get to today.  RIP

Oh the irony of the government turning the land into a nuclear waste site then charging him for running over plants with his pickup.

[buckfvr]

Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'.  I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.

Inalienable rights in part of the treaty.  Waste of time and breath to argue this. Hunters are a small group in this state, we all know it yet even all hunters and gun owners dont vote the same, many of them actually shooting themselves in the foot every time they vote.  Probably most of them.  Socially we are on our own and that doesn't bode well.

[trophyhunt]

“ in common with” says that in the treaty I believe, pretty big statement since we non natives are losing hunts. Maybe this commission is a God send.