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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2021, 01:40:25 AM »
I cant speak about all tribes. The Quinaults do seem to do a great job especially on the fish side. I think the tribes behind the Nooksack heard are the reason the elk there are even in huntable numbers they are now. Those tribes up there where behind the relocating of the St helens elk to rebuild that Nooksack heard. I also heard they really dont get alot of permits. Pretty much the same amount the regular hunters get.  Id say thats pretty fair even if they do get more time in the field to fill them

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #121 on: December 06, 2021, 11:54:01 AM »
This thread was started by someone who questioned people driving on closed roads and using rifles in an archery season. How this is fair I donít see that. How that benefits Deer and Elk herds that are on the decline I donít see that either. If we as a whole want to see our elk and deer herds improve all parties should work on a level playing field to do just that.
I cant speak about all tribes. The Quinaults do seem to do a great job especially on the fish side. I think the tribes behind the Nooksack heard are the reason the elk there are even in huntable numbers they are now. Those tribes up there where behind the relocating of the St helens elk to rebuild that Nooksack heard. I also heard they really dont get alot of permits. Pretty much the same amount the regular hunters get.  Id say thats pretty fair even if they do get more time in the field to fill them

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #122 on: December 07, 2021, 07:37:57 AM »
elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #123 on: December 07, 2021, 02:32:26 PM »
 :yeah:
elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #124 on: December 07, 2021, 05:45:20 PM »
elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

 :yeah:  Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  Two weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd up in a Nooksack logging cut as the loggers watched.  "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2021, 06:10:06 PM »
elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

 :yeah:  Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  Two weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd up in a Nooksack logging cut as the loggers watched.  "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.
They are doing to elk what they already have done to steelhead and salmon runs this state is screwed  :bash:

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #126 on: December 07, 2021, 06:47:21 PM »
elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

 :yeah:  Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  up in a Nooksack logginTwo weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd g cut as the loggers watched. "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.
They are doing to elk what they already have done to steelhead and salmon runs this state is screwed  :bash:

I wonder how many of those elk went to waste?

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #127 on: December 07, 2021, 06:57:34 PM »
Yeah I wonder how many of them there was. Seem like it would take at least 12 to 15 proficient guys to even be able to process that many elk in any kind of a timely manner. Well Maybe not if youíre just grabbing heads and back straps

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #128 on: December 07, 2021, 09:43:46 PM »
I canít comment on the processing of those 30
Elk.  It sounded like a big stink, loggers called authorities, werenít sure how much meat was going to be cared for.   Natives said was ceremonial and that was that.  Hopefully it was cared for and will feed some families.

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #129 on: December 07, 2021, 09:47:47 PM »
Surprised guys on this site spoke about this issue.  Not really politically correct to discuss this.


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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2021, 11:17:31 PM »
I canít comment on the processing of those 30
Elk.  It sounded like a big stink, loggers called authorities, werenít sure how much meat was going to be cared for.   Natives said was ceremonial and that was that.  Hopefully it was cared for and will feed some families.

Did they take any pictures?

Everyone has a phone these days.

I can't fathom a scenario where a group can drop 30 elk like that.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #131 on: December 08, 2021, 06:48:53 AM »
I canít either.  But if I had pics I wouldnít  post them.  This isnít a Native Bashing thread.  We are all in this together against predators and habitat loss.  1 tribe takes 30 elk out of 1500 in the unit is a drop in the bucket and for good cause.   But I would like to see these harvests numbers tracked.

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #132 on: December 08, 2021, 08:15:23 AM »
I canít either.  But if I had pics I wouldnít  post them.  This isnít a Native Bashing thread.  We are all in this together against predators and habitat loss.  1 tribe takes 30 elk out of 1500 in the unit is a drop in the bucket and for good cause.   But I would like to see these harvests numbers tracked.
30 in one day but what about the other 351 days in a year  :dunno: People need to take pictures of natives slaughtering wildlife for so called ceremonial purposes so the average person can see what is happening to our wildlife :yike:

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #133 on: December 08, 2021, 08:50:43 AM »
Agree, If 30 Elk were killed total thatís one thing. But in one day? Thatís a whole different story. You canít negotiate with Predators not to kill, but you should be able to negotiate with the Tribes to help improve our Elk and Deer Herds. People on this thread have talked about asking the Tribes to increase their Predator take and lessen their take of Deer and Elk. That would be a great start to improve our Herds.
I canít either.  But if I had pics I wouldnít  post them.  This isnít a Native Bashing thread.  We are all in this together against predators and habitat loss.  1 tribe takes 30 elk out of 1500 in the unit is a drop in the bucket and for good cause.   But I would like to see these harvests numbers tracked.
30 in one day but what about the other 351 days in a year  :dunno: People need to take pictures of natives slaughtering wildlife for so called ceremonial purposes so the average person can see what is happening to our wildlife :yike:

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #134 on: December 08, 2021, 09:31:55 AM »
I canít comment on the processing of those 30
Elk.  It sounded like a big stink, loggers called authorities, werenít sure how much meat was going to be cared for.   Natives said was ceremonial and that was that.  Hopefully it was cared for and will feed some families.

Did they take any pictures?

Everyone has a phone these days.

I can't fathom a scenario where a group can drop 30 elk like that.
A couple trucks,a few guys,lots of bullets and no rules and presto.30 dead elk.We won't talk about the night spotlight hunts where everything that is hit but falls in the dark is left to rot.Truth isn't bashing.

 


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