WDFW going around law makers ????????????

[Oh Mah]

Tech. has come a long way i'm glad they did not limit us all to spears.

[RockChuck]

So when can we use turret mounted heat seeking machine guns on drones to kill animals??  (Asking for a friend)

[Oh Mah]

Tell your friend that's totally off base,Says my friend.

[RockChuck]

  sorry I got distracted by shiny technology!

[trophyhunt]

Rather than ban E-bikes, quads, dual sports, etc. etc. etc......wouldn't be easier to just designate "walk in only" areas.  If there is a gate on the road post the gate.  If there is a trailhead, post the trailhead.  Idaho does this and it appears to be working.  Some of Idaho's gates only allow horseback or foot traffic, others allow quads uder 50"...and some are open to whatever you want to drive or ride on it. 

Next thing you know, the same hunting group that hates e-bikes will be wanting to ban equestrian travel.  Then it will be gate all roads and only the elite athlete has the right to hunt.   Where does it end?   

For the record, I am not an e-bike owner.

I believe this misses the mark. Horses are not new technology, ebikes are. This is just the process of figuring out where they fit in the scheme of (motorized) travel.

No dog in this fight, but why would it matter if it was a horse or an ebike? Both provide an advantage to the user vs the walk in guy. Both damage trails, both allow some people to access an area that they may not otherwise be able to access. I do not see a real big difference?

There are horse trails and bike trails and there are motorized trails. Sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don't. I don't think it's a big difference either but it is a difference and I think ebikes are finding their place which is motorized travel 

A lot of people with limits have turned to ebikes to travel in the outdoors.

WE CAN ALL SHARE THE OUTDOORS,WE DON'T NEED SEGRIGATION OUTSIDE TOO DO WE?

Umm we have it. Seasons, restrictions, closed roads, equipment, weapon choice, trail types, wilderness, permits...

Mr. @trophyhunt, Jerry, I asked this earlier can you please give me your thoughts?

Now answer me this...You say they don't offer much of an advantage over a mountain bike. Why spend the money then? How can somebody who hasn't ridden one not have a clue what they're talking about but an Ebike doesn't offer an advantage? How can those things both be true?

sorry Jon, work got in the way, lol.  I spent the money because I had false hopes of it being better, I thought the bike would take me miles on our hills.  I thought I’d be easier to pack in and pack out, I turned 51 this year and staying in shape gets harder each year.  When I never rode one, my impression was they were more like a dirt bike, I never realized how much physical work is still needed.  I rode an older one a friend owns and wasn’t too impressed, but I figured the new models were better, mine is better but not what I expected.  I said people who haven’t ridden them don’t have a clue because I was that person, I didn’t really have a clue how good/bad they worked until I bought one. I’d say the biggest advantage is, if your not in Karl Blanchard shape, lol, you don’t end up pushing your bike and cart up the hill. But you still have to work, you can’t just push the throttle and expect it to make any big hill, you have to pedal. 

I feel for ya on that. I agree with the earlier stated sentiment of getting out ahead of technology improvements and knowing that ebikes will only get "better" is enough in my mind to restrict them now. Even IF they aren't currently much of an advantage.

agree, I’d like to see wa access, gates and restrictions be more like Idaho.  Seems every user group is taken care of and the hunting is good.

[Oh Mah]

 

A list of all the things Karen is trying to ban and some on here are helping.

E BIKES
SCOPES ON MUZZLE LOADERS
BREACH LOADED MUZZIES
SNOW MOBILES
JEEPS
JET SKIIS
4 WHEELERS
DIRT BIKES
BARBED HOOKS
FISH HATCHERIES
TRAPPING
SNARES
BOX TRAPS
HUNTING
ETC.

THE LIST IS LONG AND THERE ARE A LOT OF KARENS IN THIS STATE,DON'T BE A KAREN.

[Rainier10]

I'm curious, all you haters, do you have any bad examples of ebike riders in the woods ruining your hunt? Was it behind a non motorized gate or did they just beat you to a spot?  I've been in the woods most my life and don't think I've even seen one in the woods?

I have run into them multiple times behind "no motorized vehicle signs" after I had hiked in 3 miles.  Frustrating.  I have also had them trespassing on my property.  So yes I take issue with them not reading signs.

[JimmyHoffa]

Rather than ban E-bikes, quads, dual sports, etc. etc. etc......wouldn't be easier to just designate "walk in only" areas.  If there is a gate on the road post the gate.  If there is a trailhead, post the trailhead.  Idaho does this and it appears to be working.  Some of Idaho's gates only allow horseback or foot traffic, others allow quads uder 50"...and some are open to whatever you want to drive or ride on it. 

Next thing you know, the same hunting group that hates e-bikes will be wanting to ban equestrian travel.  Then it will be gate all roads and only the elite athlete has the right to hunt.   Where does it end?   

For the record, I am not an e-bike owner.

I believe this misses the mark. Horses are not new technology, ebikes are. This is just the process of figuring out where they fit in the scheme of (motorized) travel.

No dog in this fight, but why would it matter if it was a horse or an ebike? Both provide an advantage to the user vs the walk in guy. Both damage trails, both allow some people to access an area that they may not otherwise be able to access. I do not see a real big difference?

There are horse trails and bike trails and there are motorized trails. Sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don't. I don't think it's a big difference either but it is a difference and I think ebikes are finding their place which is motorized travel 

A lot of people with limits have turned to ebikes to travel in the outdoors.

WE CAN ALL SHARE THE OUTDOORS,WE DON'T NEED SEGRIGATION OUTSIDE TOO DO WE?

Umm we have it. Seasons, restrictions, closed roads, equipment, weapon choice, trail types, wilderness, permits...

Mr. @trophyhunt, Jerry, I asked this earlier can you please give me your thoughts?

Now answer me this...You say they don't offer much of an advantage over a mountain bike. Why spend the money then? How can somebody who hasn't ridden one not have a clue what they're talking about but an Ebike doesn't offer an advantage? How can those things both be true?

sorry Jon, work got in the way, lol.  I spent the money because I had false hopes of it being better, I thought the bike would take me miles on our hills.  I thought I’d be easier to pack in and pack out, I turned 51 this year and staying in shape gets harder each year.  When I never rode one, my impression was they were more like a dirt bike, I never realized how much physical work is still needed.  I rode an older one a friend owns and wasn’t too impressed, but I figured the new models were better, mine is better but not what I expected.  I said people who haven’t ridden them don’t have a clue because I was that person, I didn’t really have a clue how good/bad they worked until I bought one. I’d say the biggest advantage is, if your not in Karl Blanchard shape, lol, you don’t end up pushing your bike and cart up the hill. But you still have to work, you can’t just push the throttle and expect it to make any big hill, you have to pedal. 

I feel for ya on that. I agree with the earlier stated sentiment of getting out ahead of technology improvements and knowing that ebikes will only get "better" is enough in my mind to restrict them now. Even IF they aren't currently much of an advantage.

agree, I’d like to see wa access, gates and restrictions be more like Idaho.  Seems every user group is taken care of and the hunting is good.

Would need more animals, such that there could be more 'success' without tech; then people wouldn't care as much what everyone else is doing.  Get longer seasons too.  Not just hunting, look at fishing regs.   

[BULLBLASTER]

A list of all the things Karen is trying to ban and some on here are helping.

E BIKES
SCOPES ON MUZZLE LOADERS
BREACH LOADED MUZZIES
SNOW MOBILES
JEEPS
JET SKIIS
4 WHEELERS
DIRT BIKES
BARBED HOOKS
FISH HATCHERIES
TRAPPING
SNARES
BOX TRAPS
HUNTING
ETC.

THE LIST IS LONG AND THERE ARE A LOT OF KARENS IN THIS STATE,DON'T BE A KAREN.

Calling people names because they dont agree with you is a sure fire way to get your point across. 

[Oh Mah]

NOT CALLING ANYONE NAMES BUT NICE TRY.kAREN IS A WAY NOT ANY SPECIFIC PERSON.

[bigtex]

WDFW is trying to go around law makers,on E BIKES.My self and others are seeking answers,to why?They have gone to the attorney generals office to ban E BIKES,on WDFW and sounds like,DNR LANDS in the state.

The agencies are not going around lawmakers. The legislature has delegated the authority to create rules for WDFW/DNR/State Park lands to the respective agencies. If WDFW wants to ban e-bikes on WDFW lands, they can do so. If WDFW wants to ban the possession of alcohol on WDFW lands, they can do so. This does not require legislative action.

[hawks33]

A list of all the things Karen is trying to ban and some on here are helping.

E BIKES
SCOPES ON MUZZLE LOADERS
BREACH LOADED MUZZIES
SNOW MOBILES
JEEPS
JET SKIIS
4 WHEELERS
DIRT BIKES
BARBED HOOKS
FISH HATCHERIES
TRAPPING
SNARES
BOX TRAPS
HUNTING
ETC.

THE LIST IS LONG AND THERE ARE A LOT OF KARENS IN THIS STATE,DON'T BE A KAREN.

There are a lot of as*holes in this state too. Thought this conversation was about ebikes? Ebikes are a relatively new thing to hunting, having a conversation about that doesnt have to spill over into everything else.  My issue is ebikes give better access into some areas that allow some sanctuary to animals, just feel that from a conservation standpoint they should be limited to motorized areas. Gotta draw a line somewhere, thought that non motorized did that

[Oh Mah]

This thread is also about banning something used by outdoor recs.and that includes everything else thats banned in my opinion.All the user groups need to work together more.For the better of all outdoor not just a group.

the photo enthusiast can take photos while someone is hunting can't they?

I hike in some,i also use a quad.but i don't hate on the guy using a 1000 general just because it cost 25K.

I boat i jet skii and i fish,don't care that people are having a good time while im fishing.its not all about me me me.

[BULLBLASTER]

This thread is also about banning something used by outdoor recs.and that includes everything else thats banned in my opinion.All the user groups need to work together more.For the better of all outdoor not just a group.

the photo enthusiast can take photos while someone is hunting can't they?

I feel that hipower rifles and scopes should not be banned in archery season. We must work together to lake sure rifles are allowed in archery season.

[Jonathan_S]

Idaho can't use 16# rifles, lighted nocks, expandables, pelletized powder, sabots, 209 primers, jacketed bullets among plenty of other restrictions.