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Quote from: trophyhunt on February 12, 2021, 05:57:30 PMJosh, does your post say they counted 1 goat on castle mnt?Yes. That’s what it says. That’s a screenshot of an email from a WDFW biologist.
Josh, does your post say they counted 1 goat on castle mnt?
Quote from: sagemd on February 12, 2021, 03:54:11 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2021, 11:46:24 AMWell I personally wouldn't want to have goat hunting in the Enchantments. Those goats are so tame and there is absolutely way too many people there. I think they need to relocate some of them to an area where they can be hunted. Back in the Early 2000's I believe the some of the goat population had some virus or worm I forget what it was. I think the could have put medication on or in a salt block and stopped it but they never did. Have you ever seen them group up in the fall when its breeding time? I saw 25 goats in the GPW in one 100 yard area.Tame goats need to be hunted. Tame mountain goats is what lead to the death of a hiker in the Olympics.To many hikers in over populated goat habitat is not healthy for goats. What does the amount for people in an area have to do with goat hunting. Hunting is a very safe management tool. Relocation is very expense. It is paid for by hunters/license and tag sales. Increasing tag sale (permits in the Enchantments) increases funds for relocation.Virus or worm ? When you figure it out!! But yes goats have been and are mismanaged in Washington.Goats breed in late November. Not in the fall. A group of 25 is not uncommon, spring, summer or fall.The problem with hunting in the Enchantments is when you have literally 100's of hikers,trail runners, going thru the area it is not conducive or even good for public relations to send goat hunters up there to shoot animals. When goats are 10 feet away from people it is not ideal circumstances for a hunt. Us as hunters have to know when be respectful of other recreation users. When it comes to getting what we want bad public relations don't help. It reminds me of the bear hunter that shot the bear on MT So trail and left it for an extended amount of time. That got so much bad PR it hurts our cause when we want to keep things like spring bear hunts.
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2021, 11:46:24 AMWell I personally wouldn't want to have goat hunting in the Enchantments. Those goats are so tame and there is absolutely way too many people there. I think they need to relocate some of them to an area where they can be hunted. Back in the Early 2000's I believe the some of the goat population had some virus or worm I forget what it was. I think the could have put medication on or in a salt block and stopped it but they never did. Have you ever seen them group up in the fall when its breeding time? I saw 25 goats in the GPW in one 100 yard area.Tame goats need to be hunted. Tame mountain goats is what lead to the death of a hiker in the Olympics.To many hikers in over populated goat habitat is not healthy for goats. What does the amount for people in an area have to do with goat hunting. Hunting is a very safe management tool. Relocation is very expense. It is paid for by hunters/license and tag sales. Increasing tag sale (permits in the Enchantments) increases funds for relocation.Virus or worm ? When you figure it out!! But yes goats have been and are mismanaged in Washington.Goats breed in late November. Not in the fall. A group of 25 is not uncommon, spring, summer or fall.
Well I personally wouldn't want to have goat hunting in the Enchantments. Those goats are so tame and there is absolutely way too many people there. I think they need to relocate some of them to an area where they can be hunted. Back in the Early 2000's I believe the some of the goat population had some virus or worm I forget what it was. I think the could have put medication on or in a salt block and stopped it but they never did. Have you ever seen them group up in the fall when its breeding time? I saw 25 goats in the GPW in one 100 yard area.
The good old days.
Quote from: brocka on February 12, 2021, 02:27:11 PMI can only comment (and did on the survey) on the Bumping River unit. Spending a week in there with a bull tag a few years ago, I couldn't believe how many goats were back in there. I saw more goats than bulls, that is for sure. I doubt anyone is in there counting those goats? And I doubt anyone is going in and hunting those goats. Especially when you can get one from 410...I counted 79 in two areas the other day.... Just a fraction of what is in North end of the unit.
I can only comment (and did on the survey) on the Bumping River unit. Spending a week in there with a bull tag a few years ago, I couldn't believe how many goats were back in there. I saw more goats than bulls, that is for sure. I doubt anyone is in there counting those goats? And I doubt anyone is going in and hunting those goats. Especially when you can get one from 410...
This makes very little sense if you're me. https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-02/ots-28751_0.pdf1 less Naches Pass tag. 1 less Bumping River tag. 1 less Goat Rocks West tag. The Goat Rocks one is the one that makes zero sense to me at all. There are tons of goats there. I'm not the most educated goat guy on the planet, so maybe there's something I'm missing. Also I noticed the proposal mentions "who may apply." The way I read this is if you've killed a goat here in WA, you're done. Even if it was a raffle or auction tag. This has never been the case before, and there is no proposed change to the other OIL species in this regard....so why mountain goat? I have no dog in this fight in terms of tags for me. I've already got mine. Just trying to see the logic in these changes. @Bushcraft
Your entitled to your opinion but it won't happen. When there's little to no chance of getting a camping permit if you even drew a goat permit. This is Wa you have to be realistic.