Permit Change

[Curly]

But the question that remains is what permits will be in what categories?

I heard 663 late buck would be a "quality" hunt.

That is funny.  The success rates on that hunt are very small.  That permit might become easier to draw if it is lumped in with the "quality" hunts.  I'd hate to have that one on my application for the quality permits.........but I'd love to have it for just a regular permit.

[billythekidrock]

But the question that remains is what permits will be in what categories?

I heard 663 late buck would be a "quality" hunt.

That is funny.  The success rates on that hunt are very small.  That permit might become easier to draw if it is lumped in with the "quality" hunts.  I'd hate to have that one on my application for the quality permits.........but I'd love to have it for just a regular permit.

lol

On a serious note..
My boss has been told by F&W and DNR that they not allowing quads in the Satsop GMU portion of the CF. He thinks that unit may go "quality".
I doubt it, but you never know.

[WDFW-SUX]

thats funny..

[billythekidrock]

The "quality" part is. But losing quad access to that portion is not.

[WDFW-SUX]

Dont fret it all part of the larger plan to remove us from the forests.

[billythekidrock]

Dont fret it all part of the larger plan to remove us from the forests.

Us or guns? Probably both.

[WDFW-SUX]

defiantly both.  Ever try and hunt on land thats owned by the nature conservancy.....Nope closed to hunting.

[Dansk]

Dansk,

That's how I see it. It may be easier to draw "a" elk permit, especially for the people with several points, and even more so for those that apply in every possible category. It will just cost more money.

Yeah - it will cost a little more money... but if people are worried about a measly (and optional) 10-20 bucks more a year, they should choose a diff. hobby. .  I mean special draw tags have not risen in cost for a long long time.  Been 5 bucks each for a while.  I'd rather pay higher consumption taxes in lieu of a state income tax any day.  The state's gonna find a way to get thier dough - be it tobacco, gas, alchohol, etc.  Sux the cost to apply is increasing- but that's to be expected with anything.  Do people really expect liscense costs will stay static?  (Don't get me wrong- I like to donate to uncle sam and the gov.as little as legally possible    )

[RUTNBULL1]

Looks like the lining of the WDFW pockets again. If this is all true and is going to be introduced as the new system I think people will continue to put in for their normal hard to achieve units for what ever game species they are after, which in return will not change a damn thing, still have a large pool of point holders chasing the dream tag, and with points in the other catagories now they will keep up with the Jones' by putting in for a ghost point to maintain their point quantities in which in return cause those pools to eventually have lesser odds of drawing a tag as well. NO with the new proposal. If this does come into play, I think all new revenue from the special permit apps. should be used and implemented into the Law Enforcement divsion of the WDFW funding and can't be removed from this division. This could be the only upside if they would implement the revenue into the Law Enforcement division, but this would be common sense, and common sense is not very common when we have the WDFW in the same paragraph.

[bobcat]

They apparently already have plans for the additional revenue.

From the information posted on the WDFW website:

It is anticipated that the additional revenue would be used to increase hunter access to private property.

And from the form letter the WDFW has emailed to some who have emailed questions to the WDFW regarding the new proposal:

On a national basis, the most significant thing that fish and wildlife agencies can do to recruit and retain hunters is improve access opportunities.  In Washington, we have been working with hunters and conservation organizations to expand our access program for several years, this proposal will help us achieve that goal.

[Dansk]

They apparently already have plans for the additional revenue.

From the information posted on the WDFW website:

It is anticipated that the additional revenue would be used to increase hunter access to private property.

And from the form letter the WDFW has emailed to some who have emailed questions to the WDFW regarding the new proposal:

On a national basis, the most significant thing that fish and wildlife agencies can do to recruit and retain hunters is improve access opportunities.  In Washington, we have been working with hunters and conservation organizations to expand our access program for several years, this proposal will help us achieve that goal.

That would be a great move if its true.  Well worth the $$.  Something like the block mgmt in MT and access yes in WY.  Wa needs it.

[RUTNBULL1]

They apparently already have plans for the additional revenue.

From the information posted on the WDFW website:

It is anticipated that the additional revenue would be used to increase hunter access to private property.

And from the form letter the WDFW has emailed to some who have emailed questions to the WDFW regarding the new proposal:

On a national basis, the most significant thing that fish and wildlife agencies can do to recruit and retain hunters is improve access opportunities.  In Washington, we have been working with hunters and conservation organizations to expand our access program for several years, this proposal will help us achieve that goal.

The proposal for additional access to private property, total B.S., just another fancy talk proposition with no intent, first of all what private properties, and do you think that these people are just going to lay down to the WDFW and give them the ok to provide access, no way not with all the liability involved, fire danger, erosion, fence and livestock damage etc. Blowing Smoke.

[billythekidrock]

 I absolutely agree.

"It is anticipated that the additional revenue would be used to increase hunter access to private property."

"Anticipated" & "additional" are too vague as to determine where and if this money will be used.

I can hear the excuses now. "Well we had planned for the money to be used this way, but we did not anticipate the further downturn of the economy so now the money will go to the general fund".

or

"Additional revenue? There is no additional revenue after we pay for the system upgrades and addtional costs".

[Hunting Cowboy]

I absolutely agree.

"It is anticipated that the additional revenue would be used to increase hunter access to private property."

"Anticipated" & "additional" are too vague as to determine where and if this money will be used.

I can hear the excuses now. "Well we had planned for the money to be used this way, but we did not anticipate the further downturn of the economy so now the money will go to the general fund".

or

"Additional revenue? There is no additional revenue after we pay for the system upgrades and addtional costs".

I agree, well said!

[Bigshooter]

I voted not sure.  I think most of you guys are getting to worked up about this without knowing all the details.  I'm not saying that it won't be bad but, WDFW has given out very little information about how this is going to work.  I will make a decision after I find out all the details.

Hmm. You don't think 8 categories, points distributed across the board or tougher odds are worth getting "worked up" over?

It is clearly stated that those things could happen.

You know for sure that odds will be "tougher".  I don't think they have given us enough information to come to the conclusion that odds will be tougher.  

How can they not get tougher given the scenerio two posts up?

If you want to assume that everyone puts a couple of cow choices down then your most likely right.  And I don't think this is spot on.  I don't think that it is even close to how the majority of people apply for permits.  Of all the guys that I know that apply for elk permits every year this would not be the case 9 times out of 10.

How people used to apply no longer matters. It is how they will apply.

On first reaction most I have talked to seem to think they will have better odds since they are eligible to apply for 5, 6 and some even 7 of the cagetories for both deer and elk.

Once they think about how they will apply, and realize that others may do the same, they understand how hard it could be to draw and how important it will be to apply to every category every year just to keep up on points.

Cash cow business model for F&W.

Where have you seen that it says you can apply for all 8 draws.  I know it says that you can draw more than one tag.  But that might only mean you get to put in for two draws.  But can you show mean where it says with out doudt that you will be able to apply for every draw?

Have you even read any of it?

And I am pretty sure they will apply for as many as possible. The general population of hunters that apply for permits did the same thing when it went from one hunt choice to four and that made the odds tougher in many units. Believe me, if it goes as they have stated, things will get a lot tougher in many units and in many categories in general.

Apparently not the same one that you have read.  Show me a quote where it says that you will be able to apply for every single draw.  All I have read is there will be 8 different draws, but nowhere have I read where it says you can apply for every draw every year.