Mt View Application Numbers

[Mr Mykiss]

For those that were curious or have/had a vested interest
To rehash an old thread/debate....2019 application summaries are out. I dunno if anyone heard but da MeatEater crew shot a big old bull in the Mountain View unit and then spoke openly about the locations/trails/etc.

        2018 Apps  2019 Apps  % increase
Rifle         428            489           14.3   
Archery    114            188           64.9     
Muzzy        59            145         145.9     
Total         601           822           36.8                   

[ELKBURGER]

Yup, increases across the board. A bit surprised that the Muzzy apps skyrocketed and not archery.

[Karl Blanchard]

What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?

[Mtnwalker]

Trying to find the old thread as we speak, I’m trying to refresh myself on what the wager was but I think I may have lost 

[jackelope]

What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?

This is a legit question.

[blackpowderhunter]

What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?

i'd say this contributed more than the rinella effect.
look at the bull tag number drops for observatory and the like.
those would be interesting numbers to look at from 18-19

[Mr Mykiss]

What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?

This is a legit question.

It is. I'd think that the Quality elk apps would be largely independent of the Yakima Herd effect as most of those hunts, the rifle ones, are Bull hunts and not quality hunts.
I'm not gonna break down every hunt. This is more just for the wagers waged...I know there were a few

[Bob33]

Here is data from the 2019-2020 regulations pamphlet showing applications in 2018, and 2019 application data from this site: https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/special-hunts/results/elk#

I'm not sure if the data comes from the same sources but it should be representative.

[Mtnwalker]

Hold the phone!! Winner winner chicken dinner! Although winning is really losing here. @Dan-o

[outdooraddict]

this is prob a rediculos question but i gotta ask and clear it up.  so there were 713 differnet individuals in the watershed applicaiton pool?  now square those peopla  lot, some more than others and that is the total number of names in the hat?  so lets say all watershed applications had 3 points so is that 713x713x713? for total names in the hat?

[Johnny Doe]

this is prob a rediculos question but i gotta ask and clear it up.  so there were 713 differnet individuals in the watershed applicaiton pool?  now square those peopla  lot, some more than others and that is the total number of names in the hat?  so lets say all watershed applications had 3 points so is that 713x713x713? for total names in the hat?

NO

You can get a total number of applicants using the more detailed report from WDFW on how many applicants there were with how many points.  Mr. Mykiss might calculate for you...

[Odell]

It's going to be difficult to quantify how much of that huge increase is from the publicity and how much was due to tag reductions because it's possible both of those things worked together. "my unit has way less tags...I heard its good over here..."

I got beat up a bit last year for my opinion on this, but I think this is completely to be expected when a hunting celebrity does what Rinella did. I'm glad he apologized and regrets it.

All that said, does anyone know if that podcast is still up with the original information? With the upcoming video release of that hunt I hope they delete the podcast or have someone bleep out the specifics. It would take less than an hour of work to edit it and even less time to pull it.

[Johnny Doe]

I think the unit got more publicity from people on this website than Rinella, but that definitely added to it.

All a person has to do is Google "mountain view elk" guess where that leads...

 

[jmscon]

713 averaging 10 points = 71300 names in the hat

[Bob33]

this is prob a rediculos question but i gotta ask and clear it up.  so there were 713 differnet individuals in the watershed applicaiton pool?  now square those peopla  lot, some more than others and that is the total number of names in the hat?  so lets say all watershed applications had 3 points so is that 713x713x713? for total names in the hat?

NO

You can get a total number of applicants using the more detailed report from WDFW on how many applicants there were with how many points.  Mr. Mykiss might calculate for you...

This report shows the number of applications and applicants by point total: https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2019-09/2019%20Quality%20Elk%20drawing%20results%20by%20hunt%20number.pdf

[Odell]

I think the unit got more publicity from people on this website than Rinella, but that definitely added to it.

All a person has to do is Google "mountain view elk" guess where that leads...

 

and that thread exists because...kind of a chicken or egg thing. None of this happens if Rinella doesn't explicitly say unit name, roads, trailheads etc.

I would bet the episode has way more downloads than the Hunt WA thread has unique views, even then you have to try to suss out how many people came to the hunt wa thread because they googled mt view elk...because they heard about it from Meateater. Hunting forums have figured out the hard way that you don't post up specifics about units and the thread on Hunt WA would never even exist if Meateater hadn't put it all out

[kentrek]

I'd be annoyed too if steve talked about my area but I've watch these kind of numbers in other units and that kind of increase isnt too far out of the norm

[fishngamereaper]

I feel your pain...

I used to have my hunting areas to myself. Until the internet...Alpine lakes was a ghost town in the 90s ... Peach's ridge, I could go a week without seeing anyone....now every Joe dick and Harry hunts them..I specifically hunt places now that don't have cell service, that at least cuts down on some of the weekend warriors...

[blackpowderhunter]

how many non res elk tags are bought in WA each year?
reason i ask is this would have been interesting had rinella done that to a specific hunt in Idaho, or Colorado.
THEN i guarantee app's would have jumped 50% or more.
That is one thing WA is borderline immune to...insane amounts of non resident influx.
double edged sword though because it just means our game dept. can't manage for shiz 

[Dan-o]

Hold the phone!! Winner winner chicken dinner! Although winning is really losing here. @Dan-o

@Mtnwalker

Good on you, sir.

My charity of choice:   Genesis Project
https://www.genesisnow.org/

Love this place.

[huntnnw]

I do know its been rough down there on the muzzy hunt compared to last year, 1 guy has already gave up

[Shawn Ryan]

Muzzy hunter in there that I've been helping is suffering from wolves howling in many parts of the unit, which has stopped the bugling.  Plus the snow is making access more difficult.

Archery hunter that I was helping connected with a small (for the unit) 6x6 and I heard of another 5x5 killed.  Anyone else know of kills in the unit this year?

[Mr Mykiss]

I hate to knock you down a peg after your big victory but...

[Mtnwalker]

Wait a minute.. I was under the impression that I won the wager with Dan-o so don’t I get to pick the charity?

[Mr Mykiss]

I see it as a W for da Walker...

[Dan-o]

I see it as a W for da Walker...

Well............   Looks like one of us needs to learn how to read.

And that one is me.

Sorry, don't know what I was thinking.........................................

Mtnwalker, send me your charity of choice and I will pay up.

@Mtnwalker

[Mr Mykiss]

I’ll take Backcountry Hunters and Anglers for $100 Dan-O 

[Dan-o]

I’ll take Backcountry Hunters and Anglers for $100 Dan-O 

NICE!     

@Mtnwalker

Don't leave me hanging.

I've been having a recurring nightmare where Hunt Wa people say:

 "So Maggie J and Don-O don't pay off their bets."

Have a heart and tell me which charity to pay off, so I can sleep w/o fear.

[WildlifeAssassin]

New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.

[Dan-o]

New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.

Wanna bet?

Oh, wait......

[ctwiggs1]

I’ll take Backcountry Hunters and Anglers for $100 Dan-O 

NICE!     

@Mtnwalker

Don't leave me hanging.

I've been having a recurring nightmare where Hunt Wa people say:

 "So Maggie J and Don-O don't pay off their bets."

Have a heart and tell me which charity to pay off, so I can sleep w/o fear.

That’s funny. I forgot about that one.  He sent me a message even after I told him he didn’t need to worry about it to insist on sending some ammo my way.  Never showed and I’ve been waiting to see what surprise would come my way ever since 

Water under the bridge... but yeah, you’re basically mags now.

[Odell]

New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.

Hopefully they aren’t as explicit with the details this time. I’d be shocked if they were.


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[cryder]

All I had to do is read the title ,,,, hillariouse , oh yes ! There's going to be some math ! Hillariouse !!!! Again !

[fishngamereaper]

New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.

Hopefully they aren’t as explicit with the details this time. I’d be shocked if they were.


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Watching it right now and so far not allot of details

[CaNINE]

He did a good job of keeping the episode sufficiently vague as to the unit. 

[meatwhack]

Delete this thread quick before anyone else finds out.