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Another resident, an 80-year-old man who said he frequently hunts in the area, said the federal officials who proposed the grizzly release plan are "super book smart, but dumber than hell" when it comes to on-the-ground conditions facing citizens.This guy nailed it
Some of us remember when just a few years ago Trump's first Interior Secretary (Ryan Zinke) was also in support of putting grizzlies in the North Cascades. Had Zinke not quit, the relocation plan may have already begun. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
From the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?
There's been a few sightings over the last 20 years in the North Cascades by some "in my opinion" credible sources.The main problem with this attempted reintroduction is the lack of habitat and food they require. Hence the reason they're so scarce there these days in the first place.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on November 08, 2023, 08:03:06 AMFrom the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?Those recent grizzlies, as well as I can remember, have not been in the cascades.
Quote from: jackelope on November 08, 2023, 08:10:13 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on November 08, 2023, 08:03:06 AMFrom the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?Those recent grizzlies, as well as I can remember, have not been in the cascades. I be seen 3, 2 in the Pasayten, one in the valley bottom along the Methow. Late 70’s mid 80’s.They are and have been there.
Quote from: mountainman on November 09, 2023, 07:51:08 PMQuote from: jackelope on November 08, 2023, 08:10:13 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on November 08, 2023, 08:03:06 AMFrom the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?Those recent grizzlies, as well as I can remember, have not been in the cascades. I be seen 3, 2 in the Pasayten, one in the valley bottom along the Methow. Late 70’s mid 80’s.They are and have been there.I’m not questioning any cascades grizzly sightings from 20-30 years ago. I was responding to his question regarding recent sightings. That seems to have been missed by a few questioning my comment. Are you aware of any recent sightings of them in the last … let’s say 5 years? There have been a few in the NE recently…. this year. I’m aware that they’ve been seen in the Cascades 20 years ago.
Topics are merged and under bear hunting for now. Try to keep this on topic and not get too political.
This whole idea of " reintroduction" is insanity. There's no barrier keeping them out. Or in.If they wanted to inhabit our State in greater numbers they would of a long time ago.
Quote from: jackelope on November 09, 2023, 08:41:24 PMQuote from: mountainman on November 09, 2023, 07:51:08 PMQuote from: jackelope on November 08, 2023, 08:10:13 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on November 08, 2023, 08:03:06 AMFrom the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?Those recent grizzlies, as well as I can remember, have not been in the cascades. I be seen 3, 2 in the Pasayten, one in the valley bottom along the Methow. Late 70’s mid 80’s.They are and have been there.I’m not questioning any cascades grizzly sightings from 20-30 years ago. I was responding to his question regarding recent sightings. That seems to have been missed by a few questioning my comment. Are you aware of any recent sightings of them in the last … let’s say 5 years? There have been a few in the NE recently…. this year. I’m aware that they’ve been seen in the Cascades 20 years ago. Since you agree grizz were in the north cascades 10-20-30 years ago, but aren’t now, what reason do you attribute that too?Maybe people don’t want to report them for certain reasons. Or they do report sighting, but that’s as far as it goes and given no acknowledgment maybe?
Quote from: Rainier10 on November 08, 2023, 09:29:03 AMTopics are merged and under bear hunting for now. Try to keep this on topic and not get too political.The Federal government is forcing an apex predator on its citizenry. How is that not political and why wouldn’t we discuss it? Things are getting strange around here.
The last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear was on Oct. 21, 2010 South of Hwy 20. Their statement is just another denial and play on words. The article here seems pretty definitive to me. It was atleast 20 miles from the border so most likely a resident bear as well.https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/
Sorry Jack, I was basically speaking of what the article stated. I know they travel farther than that.